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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:47 pm 
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This is ridiculous... he is basically explaining what he THINKS might explain the scenario that Jodi is offering now.... but that WHOLE STORY is lies... and so whatever this guy has to say in explanation is a silly thing to be contemplating. It is a fictional story. His explanation is of a fictional person that Jodi made up?

Why are we wasting time on this?

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I'm back!

:HSG I see the drinking fun has already begun and everyone should be half in the bag by now!


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Hi remote... have not found HLN live blog


Martinez wants to do voir dire, i.e. cross examine the witness on his legal expertise; sidebar: Looks like he lost.

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4:20 p.m. ET: Samuels is explaining the difference between therapy and evaluating someone for a court case. He said he never blurred the line between therapy and evaluations with Arias. Prosecutor Martinez accused Samuels of crossing ethical lines for giving Arias a self-help book.

“Is there ever blurring of the lines between evaluator and therapist?” asked Willmott.

“There should not be. In fact, the guidelines suggest that if you are taking the role of an evaluator, you should not be the therapist at the same time or sometimes, depending on the way the rules are written in a particular state, never. But there are extenuating circumstances that may require that to change,” said Samuels.



4:15 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking Samuels about how he diagnosed Arias. Samuels said he gathered as much as information and evidence. he could about Arias. He also said he never relies on one test or one piece of evidence to make a diagnosis.

“The process of formulating a diagnosis is not a simple process. There is no one test or one procedure that allows you to develop a diagnosis with 100% surety. The fact is, that it’s necessary to obtain information from as many different sources as you can,” said Samuels.

4:14 p.m. ET: Samuels is back on the stand, and defense attorney Willmott is asking him whether Arias was consistent when she told him multiple times about killing Alexander in self-defense. Willmott called it finally "coming clean."

“What were her feelings after she told you what happened?” asked Willmott.

“She said she was very relieved as if a great weight had been lifted,” said Samuels.

“Did she repeat that to you several times?” asked Willmott.

“Yes, she did,” said Samuels.

Arias is wearing a black shirt with grey stripes today.


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4:47 p.m. ET: Samuels is explaining how psychologists share anonymous raw data from patients for consultations.

4:43 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking Samuels if a person's short term memory works during acute trauma. Samuels said yes the short term memory may work during severe trauma, but long term memories may not be formed.

4:40 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar with the judge.

4:38 p.m. ET: Samuels said Arias told him that she thought a great deal of Alexander at the beginning of their relationship, and so she allowed him to perform oral sex on her even when it was uncomfortable.

“Did she talk to you about why she would do it anyway?” asked Willmott.

“Yes, she did. Specifically she said that she felt she needed to comply in order to maintain the relationship,” said Samuels.

“Did she describe for you what she thought what type of person Travis was?” asked Willmott.

“Well she thought the world of him. She in essence placed him on a pedestal. Again, taking into account that at the time her self-esteem was very low, the perceived gap between his accomplishments and status in the community and hers was very great,” said Samuels.

4:36 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar with the judge.



4:31 p.m. ET: On April 21, 2010, Samuels wrote in his notes Arias told him that Alexander tied up her wrists and and her ankles to a bed shortly before she killed him in self-defense.

4:29 p.m. ET: Arias told Samuels on April 21, 2010 that Alexander tied her up two different times with rope for sexual acts.

4:28 p.m. ET: The attorneys are now at a sidebar with judge Stephens.

4:27 p.m. ET: Arias told Samuels that Alexander tied her up with a rope for a sexual act shortly before she killed him on June 4, 2008.

4:25 p.m. ET: Willmott asked Samuels if someone can fake their answers on the PTSD test he gave Arias called the MCMI. Samuels said it is possible to fake it, but they would have to understand how the test works to fake it.

“I might be able to take that test and generate a result that is inconsistent with my personality. However, the average person is not sophisticated in that area. Literature has to be searched for and it’s not always accessible and it’s complicated and it requires an advanced degree to truly understand how these tests are formulated. So while it is possible, it is improbable that somebody could feign the results of the MCMI,” said Samuels.

4:22 p.m. ET: Samuels is explaining why he perfers to use one PTSD test to make a diagnosis over other PTSD tests. He said multiple tests must always be used along with other information to make a diagnosis.


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4:59 p.m. ET: Willmott asked Samuels about when Alexander allegedly had sex with Arias when she was sleeping, and then seemed to asked him for the legal definition of rape. Martinez objected and now the attorneys are at a sidebar.

4:55 p.m. ET: The PSD asked Arias to list the different type of traumas she has experienced throughout her life.

4:52 p.m. ET: Samuels is walking through how the PTSD test called the PSD works. He said the test is presented to subjects, and they do not know it is a test of PTSD, and no where on the test does it say that it is a test for PTSD.

4:49 p.m. ET: Samuels said the only person he shared Arias' raw data with was an expert working for the prosecution.


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Rumpole wrote:
Hi remote... have not found HLN live blog


Martinez wants to do voir dire, i.e. cross examine the witness on his legal expertise; sidebar: Looks like he lost.

Hey Rumpole!

Dr. Samuels looks annoyed. :22


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Jurors are submitting more notes. I just saw a man in the front row drop a paper in the basket.


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5:11 p.m. ET: Samuels is describing how he scored Arias' answers of the PSD.

“If somebody wanted to make things seem worse for themselves, like they had bad things happen to them in the past, could somebody on this particular test answer yes to any one of these questions?” asked Willmott.

“Yes, they could and their scores would go up accordingly,” said Samuels.

But Willmott points out that Arias answered no to certain questions that could have made her score go up.

5:07 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar.

5:03 p.m. ET: Willmott pointed out that Arias did not mention being sexually assaulted on the PSD referring to the incident when Alexander had sex with her when she was sleeping. Samuels said she may have not realized it was sexual assault. Martinez objected, and asked to see Samuels law degree.


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Rumpole wrote:
Hi remote... have not found HLN live blog


Martinez wants to do voir dire, i.e. cross examine the witness on his legal expertise; sidebar: Looks like he lost.

Hey Rumpole!

Dr. Samuels looks annoyed. :22



He should be annoyed that he's been humiliated before the entire world.

It was unethical for him to come to the jail with a book under those circumstances. He's probably a nice guy so he's overly familiar with his patients which is a big no-no in psychology. He also failed to notify the jail if, indeed, she was suicidal.


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BTW A reasonably intelligent person CAN fake these tests (to some extent)

Especially after doing a specific test once, or perhaps just other psych tests.

CERTAINLY anybody having done some psych study, or reading for themselves.. KNOW what sort of questions are the "sneaky" ones.

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He should be annoyed that he's been humiliated before the entire world.

It was unethical for him to come to the jail with a book under those circumstances. He's probably a nice guy so he's overly familiar with his patients which is a big no-no in psychology. He also failed to notify the jail if, indeed, she was suicidal.

Oh, good, you're here! Beth Karas said today that she has never seen an expert witness only be a witness for the defense. She said, she "found it odd as a former prosecutor that he only testifies for the defense."

I can see how it would be nice of him, but there's no place for that in the job he needed to do.


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