Having a hard time feeling sorry for Jodi... Group W sounds perfect for Jodi, Rumpole!

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Samuels says that Alexander attacking her would be traumatic for Arias, but the killing even more so, causing the amnesia.

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But... close to break so break as well

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Could Jodi's assertiveness in her journal also mean that she has the potential to be assertive in her actions? Ask it Juan.

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After all those sidebar shots, I'm afraid to get up!!

Just stay put... smoke if you got 'em.

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I, too, wondered why "assertiveness" would be a good thing in this case with the defense trying to claim how fearful Jodi was of Travis or how what he said went? <shrug>

And... stress again... when she tells you that she was not assertive toward Travis... she could be lying?

IN FACT... she is clearly a persuasive liar able to concoct whole fictional scenarios for LE.. and maintain them.

Also... there is a MOUNTAIN of evidence that she is a self assured arrogant bitch... being assertive is part of that.

What is wrong with you Dr Psyche... do you make a habit of believing all the crap that your nutso patients tell you?

Or do you just tend to say you believe them if you are being paid $250/hour?

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She is CLEARLY a VERY assertive woman.... she showed it on the stand... this Shrink is not very good at assessing people.

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Michael Kiefer michaelbkiefer
Samuels tried to ask a question of the judge and she told him he can't talk to her directly. That white noise machine is going to overheat!

You're right, Jodi is extremely assertive and I don't see how this helps the defense. She was not some little, mealy-mouthed girl who was taken advantage of. Among other pathetic things she did, she was the one who made the long drives to visit Travis. She was quite willful, right down to leaving her parent's home at 17 and making a life for herself (albeit a terrible one, and alone).

(Going to dinner now..... Be back later! )

See ya later Remote

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6:25 p.m. ET: Samuels said during an extreme trauma a person can still function, because short term memory is still working, but long term memory is not.

6:21 p.m. ET: Samuels said during an extreme trauma memory loss can be more severe.

6:19 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking Samuels if a woman is attacked and is forced to kill someone is a more than a trivial trauma. Samuels said yes it is, and that situation would be an extraordinary trauma.

6:17 p.m. ET: The judge is back on the bench, and testimony should resume any minute.

5:57 p.m. ET: Judge Stephens has recessed court until 6:15 p.m. ET.

5:56 p.m. ET: The attorneys are now at a sidebar with the judge.

5:55 p.m. ET: Samuels is explaining how trivial stressors can cause amnesia like hot or cold water.

5:51 p.m. ET: Willmott is showing Samuels other journal entries that show Arias writing about assertive. Samuels said there is a large gap between writing about it and actually being assertive. Earlier, Samuels said he believed Arias was not assertive in her relationship with Alexander.

“She wrote something that was mildly assertive but that does not translate into assertive behavior. I used to run workshops a long time ago in assertive training, and I can tell you, there’s a big gap between what a person can write or say verbally about what they’re going to do and then between them doing it,” said Samuels.

“In all your time that you spent with Ms. Arias, was there ever a time that she ever told you that she was able to stand up to Travis?” asked Willmott.

“No,” said Samuels.

5:49 p.m. ET: Willmott is now asking Samuels about Arias journal entry from a couple days after Alexander's alleged pedophile incident. She points out that at the end of the entry Arias said she will stop writing about her issues with Alexander, because it is of no benefit.

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6:36 p.m. ET: Samuels said it can take 10 years to create a test like the MCMI, and it is constantly being validated by research.

6:34 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking Samuels about how he scored Arias answers on the MCMI, and Samuels said Arias scored very high and it supports his diagnosis for PTSD. He also said his interviews with Arias, evidence he reviewed, and results from another PTSD test all supports his diagnosis.

6:30 p.m. ET: Samuels said there is a study that polled psychologists, and it says the PTSD test, MCMI, is used in more than a hundred times criminal cases every year.

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Of all the testimony so far, this psycho-stuff has been the most frustrating to me. To the point of turning it off when Jodi's attorney is questioning Samuels. She might just do us all a favor and ask him, "Dr. Samuels, are you of the reasonable professional opinion that Jodi was compelled to kill Travis Alexander because of all the psychological trauma he inflicted on her?" Then he could answer: "Yes" and then we could get to the jury's verdict: Guilty

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This bit is fascinating to me... my degree in psych.. may well have led me to be doing what he does (I went a completely different direction)

I would like to think I would have been much better at it than him



And YES... she might need him after the verdict..... should we start a collection? It will cost her $250/ hour!!!

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6:58 p.m. ET: Samuels is listing all the evidence he reviewed in the case to form his opinion on Arias.

6:56 p.m. ET: Samuels said he has perfected his note taking technique over 30 years, and he said he knows it's old fashioned, but that's how he does it.

6:54 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking Samuels about his process of taking notes as he interviews clients during pyschological evaluations.

6:52 p.m. ET: Samuels said he did not think giving a book to Arias would amount to providing therapy.

“Is there anything, ethically speaking, that prohibits you, as an evaluator, from sending a self-help book to a client?” asked Willmott.

“No,” said Samuels.

“Do you remember specifically what the guidelines say?” asked Willmott.

“Well they say that obviously one should not be a therapist and an evaluator at the same time. But in the course of doing your evaluation, there’s a certain degree of leeway that can be taken to ensure the success of the evaluation,” said Samuels.

6:49 p.m. ET: Samuels is now talking about the self-help book he gave Arias when he thought she was suicidal. The book supposedly helps people build self esteem.

6:46 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking Samuels about inconsistences he has learned about Arias after writing his report about his PTSD diagnosis. Samuels said the inconsistencies are not relevant to his diagnosis.

Is that something that’s important to your ultimate diagnosis of PTSD?” asked Willmott.

“No because if she was complaining that the physical trauma of having the anal intercourse was harmful to her, then it might have had an impact on my diagnosis. But it turned out not to be – it was not comfortable for her I recall but nonetheless it was not traumatic. And so whether she had had it with others before was really not that significant for my part of the evaluation,” said Samuels.

6:45 p.m. ET: Willmott asked Samuels about history of anal sex with Alexander other boyfriends. Samuels said he thinks it was not that critical to his diagnosis of PTSD.

6:44 p.m. ET: Samuels said he the oral sexual encounter seem to happen too soon in their relationship, and after the oral sex Alexander allegedly took Arias to church.

“Why was she uncomfortable?” asked Willmott.

“She was in a friend of theirs’ home. She was under the impression that premarital sex wasn’t permitted. And there was no preparation for her – he just popped up in her room and then preformed the oral sex – removed the clothing and performed oral sex,” said Samuels.

“Did this appear to be too soon for her?” asked Willmott.

“Yes, she claimed that it was too soo nbecause normally in a relationship there’s a period of time that would transpire before she would be involved sexually with a person,” said Samuels.

6:39 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking Samuels about how Arias told him she felt uncomfortable the first time she had oral sex with Alexander. The attorneys are now at a sidebar with the judge.

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7:05 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking Samuels about how Arias first told him about killing Alexander in self-defense in April 2010 almost two years after Alexander died.

7:02 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar with the judge.

DRINK!!!


And I think I missed at least 2 more

DRINK!!!

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they came back but only for a minute......

7:11 p.m. ET: Now Samuels is recounting the story Arias told him of how she killed Alexander in self-defense.

7:08 p.m. ET: Willmott tried to ask Samuels about what Arias told him about the gun, but Martinez objected. The attorneys are now at a sidebar with the judge.



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