Sabrina is now being hailed as the STAR WITNESS for the prosecution? Really?

She was not there? She is not a "witness" at all!!

She was not even a regular part of Trayvon's life who might be some sort of character witness..

She didn't even go to Sanford after her son was shot and killed. I can't imagine any mother doing that. She didn't go until they needed her to identify the voice on the tape as Trayvon. I truly don't believe she would have gone then if it hadn't been for Tracy Martin being unable to affirmatively state that it was TM crying for help.

I have felt sorry for the father on more than one occasion but I have never felt one iota sympathy for her.

This is what their case has come to, their "star witness" did not witness anything, was not living with TM, had not been involved with him for a long time, has no pertinent knowledge of the incident, and the only thing she can do is assert that TM was the one screaming, of a recording of a phone conversation in the background. Wow, how the mighty have fallen.

This is my first post here so I hope im doing this right Forgive me if im not LOL Ill figure it out eventually ..Im trying to reply to Deb's comment about Sabrina not coming to Sanford after hearing about Trayvon's death. As a mother that saddens me IF anything like that ever happened to ANY of my grown children or grand-babies,whether they were right or wrong in that situation, you'd have to literally kill me to stop me from being there! For the life of me I just can't get past that she didn't, Trayvon's voice or not. Just my 2cents LOL
Is it wrong i'm laughing hysterically at these lil smileys?! Very cute!

"and the only thing she can do is assert that TM was the one screaming, of a recording of a phone conversation in the background."

She won't be allowed to testify to that, none of the families will including Robert Sr. for George. If they try to get it in Nelson will have toi instruct the jury to ignore it.

They will however listen to the tesimony of 3 witnesses who will state that Tracy said it was not Trayvon.

This is my first post here so I hope im doing this right Forgive me if im not LOL Ill figure it out eventually ..Im trying to reply to Deb's comment about Sabrina not coming to Sanford after hearing about Trayvon's death. As a mother that saddens me IF anything like that ever happened to ANY of my grown children or grand-babies,whether they were right or wrong in that situation, you'd have to literally kill me to stop me from being there! For the life of me I just can't get past that she didn't, Trayvon's voice or not. Just my 2cents LOL
Is it wrong i'm laughing hysterically at these lil smileys?! Very cute!

I said months ago that the screams will be negated by the FBI report and the three reasons they listed for not being able to make a determination.

I think that she can testify, though. I can't think of a legal reason why she can't. I think that is the only thing she can testify to. It is a matter of determining if the Prosecution wants to go down that road. It is like testimony about character. Do they really want to go down that road? If there is nothing in all of those reports on Martin, they might try to hammer that home. The only thing that is in evidence that we have been able to see is that one field contact with MDPD in Nov of 2011, most likely in connection with the defacing of school property.

If you take away the emotional ties to the yells for help, you have two guys in a fight. A very one sided fight. With Zimmerman sustaining all of the injuries from that altercation and Martin having virtually none that defines assault. If there had not been a shooting, both would have been placed in custody and charges would have been most likely filed against Martin using the same evidence we have now.

There are times I try to think from the other side and say that Trayvon was screaming help because George was holding him and preventing him from escaping. He had his gun in one hand and was holding him in his other. But what I can't get past is why, if that were true, would he allow himself to be bludgeoned like that for over a minute? That's where I draw the line and come back to logic and reality. He wouldn't and no one would.

That would be my presentation to a jury. I would then point out that he held out as long as he could, but fearing for his safety, his life; he shot. Not to kill, but to get him off of him. If his intent was to kill, he would have fired more than one round.

John Mc's post made me think of this.

This is what their case has come to, their "star witness" did not witness anything, was not living with TM, had not been involved with him for a long time, has no pertinent knowledge of the incident, and the only thing she can do is assert that TM was the one screaming, of a recording of a phone conversation in the background. Wow, how the mighty have fallen.

Okay. This is something that I have been researching on google in regards to the phone that went into evidence. If I am wrong, I am sure no one will have any qualms about telling me. 8-)

From what I understand, when a phone is running out of juice it goes into a "soft shutdown." It saves all of the information that would normally be saved when the system does its own backup at midnight. It is presumed that the phone in question ran out of battery time.

Why do we presume that?

In a "hard shutdown" nothing is saved. If the battery is removed, it is dropped, got wet, or any other number of reasons for it to immediately lose power. The "heart" phone was exposed to the elements. It was found some 10 ft away from Martin's body so there is the possibility that it was either dropped or thrown.

There is no mention of any purchase of a recharger or that anyone used one of theirs to get that phone back to operational. The only piece of equipment that was used on it was the Celebrite according to evidence released in Doc Dumps one and two.

I suggest that the phone may have gotten wet and had a chance to dry before they turned it on back in March. That is a possibility for why the records don't match what was submitted and why some of the information is missing.

Theory only and not set in stone. Appreciate some input since the cell that I have is very basic and not nearly as intricate as the smart phone used by Martin.

The whole "Martin Family" thing is a made up fantasy.. part of the Scheme.

The Scheme to present a false narrative has worked, unfortunately. The Traybots do imagine little Trayvon was part of this "Martin Family"... Mom an Dad and brother Jaharvis. Of course it is a total fiction. But that image is just part of the narrative spun by Julison and Crump et al. False information now IMPRINTED in the minds of gullible, unthinking people who form the Traybot Lynch mob.

If the phone got wet, which was very possible based on where it was found and the conditions at the time, yes that might explain some loss of information, Smartphones are mini computers, the same thing would happen if you suddenly lose power to your PC. Anything you we working on would probably be lost, without some retrieval software to get it back.
Deb there is another issue with the phones, the calls as listed by the only evidence we seen are listed as T-Mobile to T-Mobile, yet DD had a Simple Mobile phone. Originally as Simple Mobile leases the use of the T-Mobile network, it was assumed that was the reason. But, calls to T-Mobile have verified that Simple Mobile calls would be listed as In-Network calls. Simple Mobile leases the use of the Network but their billing is separate, as such calls from Simple Mobile would not show as In-Network calls. This is a big discrepancy, without an answer.

The calls and texts are:
2:13 text from Hollywood, FL
2:15 text to North Dade (DeeDee?)
2:18 text from North Dade (DeeDee?)
2:20-2:23 (3 min. - to Martin from non-T-Mobile)
2:38-4:21 (103 min. - to Martin from DeeDee)
2:45-2:47 (2 min. - to Martin from T-Mobile)
3:02-3:04 (2 min. - to Martin from non-T-Mobile)
3:04-3:07 (3 min. - to Martin from non-T-Mobile)
4:30 text from Miami, FL
4:28-5:09 (41 min. - from Martin to DeeDee)
5:09-6:30 (81 min. - from Martin to DeeDee)
6:30-6:43 (13 min. - from Martin to DeeDee)
6:41-6:44 (4 min. - to Martin from T-Mobile)
6:45-6:50 (5 min. - from Martin to DeeDee)
6:46-6:48 (2 min - from Martin to North Dade non-T-Mobile)
6:49-6:53 (4 min. - to Martin from DeeDee)
6:53-6:54 (1 min. - from Martin to North Dade T-Mobile (DeeDee?))
6:54-6:55 (1 min. - from Martin to North Dade T-Mobile (DeeDee?))
6:54-7:12 (18 min. - to Martin from DeeDee)
7:04-7:05 (1 min. - to Martin from non-T-Mobile)
7:08 text from North Dade (DeeDee?)
7:12-7:16 (4 min. - to Martin from DeeDee)

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The possible DeeDee calls and texts are:
2:15 text to DeeDee (?)
2:18 text from DeeDee (?)
2:38-4:21 (103 min. - to Martin)
4:28-5:09 (41 min. - from Martin)
5:09-6:30 (81 min. - from Martin)
6:30-6:43 (13 min. - from Martin)
6:45-6:50 (5 min. - from Martin)
6:49-6:53 (4 min. - to Martin)
6:53-6:54 (1 min. - from Martin to North Dade T-Mobile) (?)
6:54-6:55 (1 min. - from Martin to North Dade T-Mobile) (?)
6:54-7:12 (18 min. - to Martin)
7:08 text from DeeDee (?)
7:12-7:16 (4 min. - to Martin)

The non-DeeDee calls and texts are:
2:13 text from Hollywood, FL
2:20-2:23 (3 min. - to Martin from non-T-Mobile)
2:45-2:47 (2 min. - to Martin from T-Mobile)
3:02-3:04 (2 min. - to Martin from non-T-Mobile)
3:04-3:07 (3 min. - to Martin from non-T-Mobile)
4:30 text from Miami, FL
6:41-6:44 (4 min. - to Martin from T-Mobile)
6:46-6:48 (2 min. - from Martin to North Dade non-T-Mobile)
7:04-7:05 (1 min. - to Martin from non-T-Mobile)

Maybe this is another dent in the armor of Crump. We know he was fed information from the SPD and he got information from Tracy Martin during his talks with Serino. Perhaps he made the same mistake that I did. That Simple Mobile was connected to T Mobile in the fact that they use the same network. I actually googled to see if T Mobile TO GO, which used to be their prepaid years ago, had sold its rights off.

So if the call actually happened, who was on the other end of the TMO->TMO? And can we assume that the North Dade number might by W8?

This is part of the work done by MJW. I need to get him to rework that!!!! LOL. I am sure he will be amused by my demand.

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