I was waiting for that ...

Notice ... I didn't say anything ... though.

HAHA! I thought the same, kj! Travis and Anal took up a LOT more of Jodi's mind than what the graph depicts!

Oh, thanks for posting the AC link - I was going to watch it but then totally forgot!

Those gashes on his head are not to be believed! I'll bet you're right that Jodi carried that knife on her as well. After all, she did quite a lot of road travel through some desolate terrain.

And again, that look on Travis' face is something else! It is just eery and haunting!

I'll move this post to end of forum a few times.. so that everyone sees it
(I am channelling Baker with the large red bold font)


Since this case is being followed by many I have Given it it's own FORUM

So it is listed separately rather than lumped in with General Crimes and Trials.

I also started a "No Discussion" thread for any vids and pics and links.

Of course you can post stuff here and discuss it.. but please also put stuff in the reference thread so we can refer to it once its lost back in the discussion

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Hello kjnelson; I can agree with this section of your assessment of the events "jodi stabbed Travis in the shower multiple times, he got out and was by the sink coughing up blood (if you've seen the sink photo)" & yes I've seen all the photos in evidence. I can't agree with your assessment that "The accidental picture snapped as she lifted his arms and shoulders to turn him around and drag him back into the bathroom." The bloody drag trail from Travis's foot indicates that Jodi had previously dragged Travis from the bathroom & the heavy blood flow seen on Travis's neck is indicative that Travis's throat had previously been sliced from ear to ear. I located a 3 part YouTube video of testimony from day 25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReT0UxzuYh0 Note the length of the bloody drag trail. The light reflecting off the tile floor prevents the entire length of the drag trail from being determined but it's apparently at least 2 tiles long. I contend that had Travis collapsed nearer the bathroom door, it makes no sense that Jodi would've dragged his body to the bedroom carpet to spin the body around & then drag the body all the way back to the bathroom. It would've been far easier to grasp both ankles & drag the body a couple feet back into the bathroom rather than dragging it the length of the hallway twice. Another issue that I can't agree with " The accidental picture snapped as she lifted his arms and shoulders to turn him around and drag him back into the bathroom." How was the picture "snapped" if Jodi was lifting Travis's arms to elevate his head & shoulders from the tile floor? Why are Travis's arms not extended above his head if Jodi's dragging him by the arms at the moment & why is his head not flopped backwards or to the side? Because Jodi has a hold of Travis by his hair while she awaited an exposure timer to snap the picture of Travis...I'd opine that Jodi is driven by a need for control over others & I question whether Travis was her first victim.

I can't argue details... I'm still a learner.

But..... it does not make sense to me that she would drag Travis AWAY from the bathroom.. I can think of no reason.

Even more so that she then dragged him BACK to the bathroom?????


I THINK she planned for the whole mess to happen in the bathroom... but he did not die there and managed to stagger up the hall. She dragged him back... as you would. To do more? (Gun shot) and to clean up the mess.

The mess spread up the hall and all was overwhelming I think. She made a half-assed attempt but was too hyped up to do anything like a good job of it.

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>it makes no sense that Jodi would've dragged his body to the bedroom carpet to spin the body around & then drag the body all the way back to the bathroom.>
I think Travis staggered to the bedroom carpet, or crawled, so jodi slit his throat there, then she dragged him back. She didn't drag him to the carpet, just back to the shower. She didn;t drag him twice. She watered down the floor for slippery, to make it easier to drag him back.

>How was the picture "snapped" if Jodi was lifting Travis's arms to elevate his head & shoulders from the tile floor?< She most likely stepped on it, if it was on the floor. Or even her moving Travis's shoulders may have done it... something hit that button.

>Why are Travis's arms not extended above his head if Jodi's dragging him by the arms at the moment & why is his head not flopped backwards or to the side?> Say she has him by the wrists, dragging, the picture makes more sense. His head is straight up and down inside his upward arms. I'm not saying she dragged him by the wrists, but the pictures seems to show she at least tried to. Jodi is not a frail violet.

>Because Jodi has a hold of Travis by his hair while she awaited an exposure timer to snap the picture of Travis...I'd opine that Jodi is driven by a need for control over others & I question whether Travis was her first victim.< You are very right about this. Two of jodi's former boyfriends are deceased, and I wonder if anyone ever looked into that. One of their names was Victor Arias. Victor as in Travis Victor, and Arias as in Arias. What a coincidence.

I am going to watch that link again about the dragging, maybe I missed something or misconstrued. I want to keep my facts straight.

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Sorry....forgot to say thanks!

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Hello kjnelson; You stated that " She did not water down the bathroom, just the hallway." Dragging a body across a tile floor really isn't so difficult that you'd need to "water the floor slippery to ease dragging" & doing so would also cause Jodi to slip while attempting to drag Travis's body. I'm not buying it because it's far easier to reduce the friction of skin upon tile by sliding the bed sheets or comforter between the two & then pull the bedding to easily move the body. I'd opine that Jodi watered down the hallway to destroy the evidence that she dragged Travis from the bathroom to the bedroom carpet & later back into the bathroom shower. I think Jodi knew all too well that Travis's friends were going to point the finger of suspicion directly at her & that she initially planned to remove Travis's body. The phrase "no victim, no crime" comes to mind because the lack of a corpse severely hampers a murder investigation... IMHO the murder was about control, even after Travis's death Jodi had a need to exert her control over Travis. Jodi was ashamed that she had been reduced to Travis's dirty little secret. Jodi stalked Travis, broke into his computer, cell phone, peeped into Travis's home & vandalized his car due to rage that she was losing control over Travis. Jodi's jealousy was aimed at other women who were interested in Travis, that jealousy doesn't appear to have ever risen to the level of hatred but I'll bet we'd be watching a double murder trial had Mimi arrived at Travis's home. Jodi's rage for Travis being ashamed of her & cutting all their ties except dirty secret sex appears to have escalated to the level of hateful rage that cost Travis his life & hopefully earned Jodi a death sentence.

70scarrestoguy
The hallway was watered down, either for easy dragging or to dilute crime scene. Jodi said she did it, the box in the closet photo proves it. She said she got the cup from under the sink, and a plastic cup was found on Travis's dead body. Easier to drag a body when dry would never occur to jodiarias. Even if the shower door was left open for a while with the shower on, the water would be in the bathroom, not the hallway. There was a reason jodi watered down the hallway, but only she knows. I think she tried to clean the mess.
The huge blood pool on the carpet was neck slitting in her wet socks.

Jodi Arias - Re-enactment of Jodi's Version of Travis' Death
*key words to remember "jodi's version"




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See previous edit and HELP thread re embedding Youtube Videos.
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Hello Remote; I guess I'd better write my viewpoint of the sequence of events. I've been on YouTube recently & I've got to say that I don't agree with the standard chased down the hallway theory. I tried to accept it, even wrote a few comments agreeing with it but the more I go over the standard sequence of events with my minds eye, the more it doesn't fit the known evidence. I think everybody readily accepts the standard chased down the hall theory because the hall floor had been flooded but why clean the blood from the hall tile floor? Jodi didn't clean the bathroom mirror, counter or sink but the floor is cleaned. Isn't that somewhat bizarre?
Here goes: Jodi had intended to murder Travis prior to traveling from California to Arizona. Upon arriving in Arizona & hanging out with Travis for the day Travis was attempting to get rid of her. As Travis prepared to shower away the Jodi stank, She retrieved the knife from her backpack & entered the bathroom under the guise of taking pictures. After taking some pictures Jodi showed the knife, Travis's facial expression changes from willing GQ model to fearful concern. I think Jodi discarded the camera, lunged at Travis with the knife & stabbed him in the heart. Travis sustained wounds to his head & several defensive wounds to his arms while fighting his way out of the shower. Travis retreated to the sink counter in disbelief of what he saw in the mirror, Jodi resumed her attack by stabbing Travis in the back several times. Travis struggled to escape but collapsed in the bathroom doorway. Jodi rolled Travis onto his back, straddling him (Trayvon style) while she taunted & tortured Travis with the knife. I don't know if there was a towel on the floor but it's at that approximate time that she sliced his throat (down to his vertebrae) ear to ear. If it was Jodi's intent at that point to move Travis to the shower she could've grasped his ankles & easily dragged him back to the shower. As evidenced by the bloody drag marks, Jodi dragged Travis to the bedroom carpet but gave up after struggling to drag him across the carpet. That's when the alleged accidental picture was taken, around the same time Jodi's glove slipped down her hand & she left a her bloody palm print on the hallway wall as she labored to move Travis's body. Jodi then dragged Travis's body back to the shower with the intent of washing away evidence. Jodi cleaned the bathroom floor as best she could, she used the cup to flood the hallway tile floor in an attempt to hide evidence that Travis had been dragged from the bathroom, down the hall to the bedroom & back to the bathroom. I think Jodi had a plan of "No body no crime" but that didn't work out too well for her as she learned the origin of the term "dead weight". Jodi spent the next 4 hours cleaning the scene to destroy evidence including doing laundry & taking a shower. Jodi knew where Travis had hidden cash, she robbed all that she could & shot Travis in the head 5+ hours after his death. Shortly later she fled the homicide scene & thought she'd gotten away with the murder.
BTW: I didn't see your opinion whether O'Mara would depose DeeDee.

Here's my take. I think Jodi disabled Travis from being able to fight back with a stab to the chest in the shower while he was sitting down. Then I think he struggled to the sink....then he went 'out' for any kind of help he could get....just reaching out in desperation....phone?....person?....outside?...anything? Then she stabbed him more and slit his throat in the hall. What I don't understand at ALL is why she would drag him anywhere. But anyhow so back in the bathroom she shoots him.

I know, this helped a lot, right?

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Say, do you guys realize the trial is on tomorrow morning! Our three whole days of non-trial nothingness are OVER!

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kjnelson "The huge blood pool on the carpet was neck slitting in her wet socks" I disagree with that sentence because the alleged accidental photo image clearly depicts that Travis's throat had previously been sliced. The sliced throat is the source of the blood that Travis's foot is dragging through to create the bloody drag trail. Also: Watering down a bloody hallway to allow a corpse to move easier would also cause the individual dragging the body to slip & slide on the now slippery tile floor.
I strongly disagree with the plausibility to ease the dragging of the corpse across the tile floor.
I'm sticking to my guns that the flooded hallway floor was the result of concealing intent & destroying evidence. Everybody online keeps raving about how intelligent Jodi is & if that's the case then she'd have considered the consequences of attempting to drag a body across a slippery watered down tile floor.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not attempting to pick a fight with you. I don't believe a single word from Jodi's lips, I've discounted everything she's uttered & I'm hoping the jurors do the same.
Wanna get a pole going on Jodi's conviction date & whether she'll be sentenced to death?
I'll wager a guess that if the juror questions aren't too long winded tomorrow & her lawyer isn't too long winded the rest of the week, the jury will begin deliberations by the 12th & convict by March 14th. The sentencing phase will result in a death sentence.

I don't know about date... but I'll start a poll on verdict and sentence

POLL:Verdict and Sentence


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I honestly don't understand how anyone can talk about that one photo that shows a skin blob on the right and a huge black blob on the left. I think all your imaginations are running wild!

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Hello rtmember; "Say, do you guys realize the trial is on tomorrow morning! Our three whole days of non-trial nothingness are OVER!"
Yep! The jurors will have an opportunity to ask Jodi questions tomorrow, we should have an idea of whether they're been bored into a mental fog or whether they have some pertinent questions. I watched live streaming from radaronline the last few days of trial coverage.
Maybe the defense & prosecution can hurry through redirect & recross so that we can get to the expert testimony