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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:52 pm 
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A Response to Jonathan Capehart’s Editorials In Regards to the Zimmerman Case

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on 21 February 2013.
This month, Jonathan Capehart of The Washington Post published three opinions regarding the Zimmerman Case: The 'rabid' hate aimed at Trayvon Martin, Playing 'Games' with Trayvon Martin's image, and 'Stand Your Ground' eludes Robert Zimmerman. These three editorials draw attention to aspects of the Zimmerman Case that should be addressed; however, Mr. Capehart's positions betray his clear presumption of Mr. Zimmerman's guilt, which is fine in the context of an opinion piece, but in order to make his point, he must overlook some clear issues that are important to the broader social relevance of this case. He must also overlook the significant forensic evidence that supports George's claim of self-defense, and that FBI documents related to the civil rights investigation show no evidence that George acted in a racially motivated way that night (to the contrary, they illustrate examples of George as a non-racist who has a colorblind life philosophy). Mr. Capehart's voluntary decision to ignore this information bespeaks his willingness to craft his message without care for accuracy. Again, we understand that such is wholly allowed in an opinion piece, but we suggest his responsibility as a journalist should also impact his presentation.

The Zimmerman Case has become a flashpoint in the conversation about racial injustice. While we contest that any racial motivation played a role in the Zimmerman Case, we are compelled to use the notoriety of this case to begin a realistic, honest conversation about racial injustice. But here is a warning: to focus so intently on George Zimmerman, and to equate a civil rights victory to a Zimmerman conviction cheapens the conversation and threatens to drive us further apart. If the Zimmerman Case is to be the catalyst for conversation about race, then we owe it to ourselves to have a complete and nuanced understanding of all the factors involved.


Probably took him about 10 minutes to fire this off and I am glad he took the time to do it. Expect the crew from JQ will have quite the time with this.


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How the “experts” do it. A behind the scenes peek at project still in the planning stages.

Secret plans for what will be a major investigation by a senior JQ “expert”

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A real insight into how all that “brilliant JQ research” gets done…

Loose lips sink ships… I can say no more here…

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:24 pm 
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Judge: Zimmerman defense can't depose Trayvon Martin family attorney
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
7:13 p.m. EST, February 22, 2013

SANFORD — The judge in the George Zimmerman murder case said Friday that defense attorneys may not grill Benjamin Crump, the high-profile, often-on-TV attorney who made the Trayvon Martin shooting into a national civil-rights issue.

Defense attorney Don West asked Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to let him depose Crump on a wide variety of issues, including Crump's contention that Sanford police and then-State Attorney Norm Wolfinger had engaged in a criminal conspiracy to cover up the teenager's death.

Crump alleged that then-Police Chief Bill Lee met with Wolfinger the night of Trayvon's death, Feb. 26, and the two agreed to release Zimmerman without an arrest.

Wolfinger says that meeting never happened.

Crump has also accused Sanford police of falsifying a report, something else that would be a crime.
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"We have the right to investigate that and what evidence he has to support that seemingly outrageous statement," West said.

Crump was not at Friday's hearing, but his attorney, Bruce Blackwell, called defense attorneys' request "an absolute sideshow."

Crump was not at the scene of the killing, Blackwell said.

"He wasn't there. He doesn't know if a fight took place," he said.

Anything defense attorneys might learn from Crump, Blackwell said, "has nothing to do with what you're going to admit at trial."

Nelson agreed.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:08 am 
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Daily Daft Posts From Justarse Quest.

Plenty of DAFT, but little of it on the topic of the actual case.

Just a couple of short posts to demonstrate the common combination of hate and ENVY

I covered Gluttony yesterday... lol

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:24 pm 
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This vid was posted by Lou at CTH H/T Lou

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The AP is a lying news wire service that is posted to daily newspapers around the World as factual news. The fact they lie and misrepresent the actual news puts them in danger of being sued. There is no doubt, based on this news report, that the AP service is anti-George Zimmerman and they are not too afraid of legal action even though NBC is being sued for similar actions. Media bias associated press lied about this case in ways I feel puts them in legal jeopardy. Their gun control efforts failed, the SYG law is unscathed if not empowered.


This vid focuses on incorrect reporting (Lying)by AP.

It stresses a point that I too find annoying. Even supposedly "informed" people.. lawyers etc speaking as "experts" in panel discussions on MSM etc... STILL quote the Scheme Team LIE:

    "Zimmerman got out of his truck after he was TOLD to not do that"


This simple but critical point is FALSE yet no matter how many times you point that out.. the Media continue to write it as fact and even "experts" repeat it (and I presume believe it).

Traybots CHANT it as a Mantra.. Some use it as their signature line.


The FACT is George was TOLD to keep an eye on what Trayvon did. He was NEVER told he had to stay in his truck.



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:39 pm 
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My reply from CTH

IMPRINTING:
The Scheme Team LIES

    “Zimmerman got out of his truck after he was TOLD to not do that”


As this vid points out, this lie continues to be reported as fact by MSM. Even on shows somewhat factual/balanced about the case, you get panel members professing to be “Legal Experts” who repeat this lie.. who believe this to be fact.

Traybots repeat it often… it is part of their Mantra… some even include it in their signature line… seen every time they post.

It is frustrating in regards this one important point…….. but much worse is that it is just one obvious indication of the whole Scheme Team False Narrative having been presented and Imprinted on the minds of otherwise rational people. Even professional people. This imprinting is NOT just seen in Rabid Traybot forum posters, twitter dogs, and the Scheme Team themselves… it has got in “like liquid gets into chalk”

BDLR has repeated in in Court… I would not be surprised to hear Nelson repeat it.

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I know this it has been repeated like a mantra for a very long time. I don't see this as something insurmountable to quote the judge, but work needs done on this starting yesterday. I would walk around with the recording and a transcript to show anytime someone says that. I would include it in every interview, correct them right away. Anytime someone says it, I would as soon as I could rectified the record. That's what I would do to begin with.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:15 am 
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Problem is.... and I am serious.... IMPRINTING is very hard to overcome once it takes hold.

I agree people NEED to point out the error as soon as it is uttered.. that would help... but it has been, and continues to be, uttered over and over. BDLR has even said it in court.. and NOBODY corrected it... THAT is a HUGE failing on MOM's part. But that is only one instance. It is said amidst general conversation by legal panels etc. on many shows. Even people who you think have a grasp of the case... will say GZ was told to stay in his car. Who could blame the general public for now believing it to be true.

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I am doing just that here: http://discussions.orlandosentinel.com/ ... 0130222/10

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Ejarra at 5:44 PM February 23, 2013
"Since you brought up the word ASSUME, let's go over facts instead of assuming. You said PURSUE. There is ZERO evidence of this, only what is chanted by Crump. You said the police advised Georgie not to pursue. NOT TRUE. Sean, NOT POLICE, advised him not to follow to which Georgie agreed. Georgie never talked to the police that night until after the incident. Sean did in fact, TWICE asked to let him know if Mr. Martin does anything else; which is why he had to get out of his car to try an keep an eye on him. You do NOT know that Mr. Martin did NOT intend to murder Georgie, which is another ASSUMPTION.
One last piece of information. Mr. Martin DID NOT have a can of ICE TEA with him that night. Do you know what it was? Also, why was the can removed from the bag at the time he attacked Georgie?"

Since we speak of changing the IMPRINTING, this calling out the false narrative, in the press on comment pages is a place to start.

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Quoting myself from CTH.....

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The point is….
The manufactured evidence is part of the FOUNDATION. Sure we can ignore the foundation, we can ignore the basement altogether… lets just look at the freshly decorated 4th floor apartment .. that the State of Florida, with all of its resources, presents to the Jury. It looks pretty good! I has flashy decorations and LOTS of things to distract the Jury… LIMPapa videos run in a loop on a big screen. The walls are decorated with Papapinhead photoshop pictures… The jury can select audio replays of cretins…Teeto reciting legalese in form of “Odes to Racist”…..LiveLaughLove, dressed as a Wagnerian “fat lady” belts out “I am Trayvon” songs with insane lyrics….. there is a large cage with Cocky the Cockatoo.. It all looks fantastic… The jury buy it.

Meanwhile down in the basement there is still the rotten Scheme foundation. We all know about it….. all the people selling the 4th floor apartment know about it. But the jury does NOT.

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There seems to be two competing factions. Both want to help GZ, but for different reasons. One faction wants to expose the BGI and Crump which would help GZ, as it exposed both the political aspects of the case that ended in GZ getting charged, when the evidence pointed to a different action.

The other just feels that GZ has been railroaded and should not have been charged but are more concerned with applying the law equally and seeing that justice is done. This group wants to help GZ the BGI, Crump is secondary unless it helps GZ. The first group wants to help GZ only as it helps to expose the BGI and their tactics. GZ is a means toward a that goal.

So now comes the problem, the BGI has its protectors and they are not going down without a fight. GZ's defense team does not have the resources to both bring down the BGI and defend itself. While bringing down the BGI would help him, its time for the defense to concentrate on others ways to help the case.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:48 am 
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I think I agree :24

I do want to see the BGI, the political schemers and the "Scheme Team" specifially all held to account.

I also want a win for George.

The point I have tried to make is that going after the BGI or politicians.. or even just the Crump scheme is HARD.. it may fail. As you say BGI has got all sorts of people running interference.

I say focus on the WIN for George... that will be sufficient if that is all we achieve... but the win for George itself may (and probably will) expose a lot of the other stuff.

I see the two positions as attacking the same overall problem.. but from two different directions.

After the last hearing it is now my view that attacking the Scheme and Crump etc is doomed to failure... a failure that could take George with it. Lets focus on the case... it may be won at trial... it should be won on appeal if not.

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There seems to be two competing factions. Both want to help GZ, but for different reasons. One faction wants to expose the BGI and Crump which would help GZ, as it exposed both the political aspects of the case that ended in GZ getting charged, when the evidence pointed to a different action.

The other just feels that GZ has been railroaded and should not have been charged but are more concerned with applying the law equally and seeing that justice is done. This group wants to help GZ the BGI, Crump is secondary unless it helps GZ. The first group wants to help GZ only as it helps to expose the BGI and their tactics. GZ is a means toward a that goal.

So now comes the problem, the BGI has its protectors and they are not going doing without a fight. GZ's defense team does not have the resources to both bring down the BGI and defend itself. While bringing down the BGI would help him, its time for the defense to concentrate on others ways to help the case.


I am in the latter camp. I want to see the rule of law upheld, and our constitutional republic preserved for my children. If what is happening to George Zimmerman is allowed to stand, then it can happen to any one of us.

I want to see the justice system work as intended, such that Zimmerman is exonerated of all allegations, and made immune to criminal and civil actions against him merely for defending himself.

I have no delusions that the BGI can be taken down over this one trial. They would eat their own (Crump) before letting the entire thing fall.

That said: after Zimmerman is exonerated, Crump *should* take a fall - along with Corey, BDLR, and Bondi. (Scott should be held responsible for his part in this fiasco, too; though I see him mostly as an enabler who passively allowed this farce to proceed.)

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Ejarra wrote:
I am doing just that here:
My quote:

Ejarra at 5:44 PM February 23, 2013
"Since you brought up the word ASSUME, let's go over facts instead of assuming. You said PURSUE. There is ZERO evidence of this, only what is chanted by Crump. You said the police advised Georgie not to pursue. NOT TRUE. Sean, NOT POLICE, advised him not to follow to which Georgie agreed. Georgie never talked to the police that night until after the incident. Sean did in fact, TWICE asked to let him know if Mr. Martin does anything else; which is why he had to get out of his car to try an keep an eye on him. You do NOT know that Mr. Martin did NOT intend to murder Georgie, which is another ASSUMPTION.
One last piece of information. Mr. Martin DID NOT have a can of ICE TEA with him that night. Do you know what it was? Also, why was the can removed from the bag at the time he attacked Georgie?"

Since we speak of changing the IMPRINTING, this calling out the false narrative, in the press on comment pages is a place to start.


I've been spending quite a bit of time over there, even as recently as this morning, trying to end the IMPRINTING that causes opinions to form based on false information. I and other pro GZ commenters could use your help. Please give us a "thumbs up" vote and a "thumbs down" to his detractors. It will go a long way to changing people when they see so many agreeing with the TRUTH. I believe that this is a great place to start to end the "IMPRINTING" of which Rumpole eludes.

http://discussions.orlandosentinel.com/ ... 0130222/10

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I went to OS and spent a few minutes doing what you were suggesting, I notice something odd. For example on Micah25 if you looked at his likes and dislikes, his dislikes were usually 0 or 1, but as soon as you clicked the dislike button, the number of dislikes jumps up. The opposite was happening on Rockymtnmama you click in like which were low, afterwards the likes would show a larger number. This could be a coincidence of course, but I checked other areas and there was no difference, accurate numbers. :TF :TF


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Today.... The Justarse gang review SD's "Open Letter To Don West"

As I have pointed out before... mentioning the name of CTH and certainly providing links is a banning offence.... it certainly was back when rational people were being singled out and banned... the Madam Baker Decreed it!!

It seems with only Half a Dozen Traybots left... Madam can not afford to ban anybody, even if they flagrantly disobey her orders (and it's a second offence for Teeto as well)



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An Open Letter To Don West – “Is This Your Honor’s Intent”?
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boricuafudd wrote:
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I went to OS and spent a few minutes doing what you were suggesting, I notice something odd. For example on Micah25 if you looked at his likes and dislikes, his dislikes were usually 0 or 1, but as soon as you clicked the dislike button, the number of dislikes jumps up. The opposite was happening on Rockymtnmama you click in like which were low, afterwards the likes would show a larger number. This could be a coincidence of course, but I checked other areas and there was no difference, accurate numbers. :TF :TF

The few supporters are using every possible means to boost their supposed support ie they login using every possible media source... You can login under Facebook, gmail,aol,yahoo, etc etc... Each login allows the user to rate anew.
I have notified the OS of this abuse and others more egregious (screen name cloning) they are actually trying to address the issue.

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Just more Daft from those recognised as "Experts" at it :31



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