I've never mentioned this before, but about 8 years ago (IIRC), there were a number of break-ins and car thefts in my small townhouse community. I was very alert while I was walking my dog around the development and I would write down the license plate numbers of any cars I did not recognize. (I was planning on providing the info to police in case another theft occurred!) One vehicle had a very dark cover over the license plate (and extremely darkly tinted windows). I had to get right next to the car to see the license number. Well, it turns out that a man was in the car and he rolled down his window and asked me what I was doing! I explained the reason and he was very nice about it, but he left rather quickly! I also nicely questioned a few people and explained the reason.

After this case, I'll think twice before doing that again, but I don't think it was wrong to do so, under the circumstances. (And it wasn't racial. I'm white and they were white.)

...SNIP...
Side note, neighbors formed a NW after this incident.

I agree about the tower information although they say sometimes it can be inaccurate. If the person was in places where there were fewer towers like out in the country areas or the edge of a big metropolitan area it may be harder to find three towers available for triangulation.

Heard you about how you were checking people out in your development, Mal. Glad that man took off because who knows if he was up to something or not and you may have been too close to him. EEK!

waltherppk says:
September 22, 2012 at 2:42 am

For all the news propagandist Pollyannas to just pretend it is not an issue that a key forensic evidence report that is essential for authentication of the phone evidence which is central to the prosecution theory is simply preposterous. People are not so stupid that they are simply not going to notice that key forensic evidence report is unexplainably just missing like it doesn’t exist or doesn’t need to exist. The sceme team is not just going to be given a Mulligan regarding the Florida Evidence Code and allowed to spin a specious yarn having no authentication of there being any factual basis for submitting and arguing phone related evidence. A murder prosecution is not an elementary schoolroom mock trial drama skit. This is serious adult sort of business involving real police investigation and formal rules of evidence …..not a cute little TV show to placate hoodlums who threaten to riot if they don’t get their way. There has been a fog of war kind of aspect about this entire case and it needs some disinfecting sunshine provided by a bona fide forensic evidence report regarding the ping logs for the phone found at the scene. That report should have been made public five minutes after the deposition of DeeDee was made public. There really is NOT any reasonable explanation why such a key forensic evidence report has not been published. What is the big damn secret …that DeeDee is a liar ? Is the state afraid the shock of such a revelation would be too much for people ?

waltherppk says:
September 21, 2012 at 6:42 pm

The point is the ping logs and forensics report should have been already done even before the probable cause affidavit, and should have been at least provided in form of a redacted summary type forensic statement of general authentication of the evidence, even if the details remained sealed until after a formal deposition of DeeDee. Absent evidence authentication the phone related evidence is not admissible under Florida evidence code. That means without the evidence authentication NOTHING related to the phones is allowed. So this matter involving the ping logs was a preliminary investigation type forensics report that should have been done in the same time frame as the medical examiners report as part of the inital investigation. IF this forensics report was not done, it is a glaring omission and a gaping hole in the State’s case and a good question WHY it was not done. This causes me to believe the forensic report was done AND it did not show what was wanted for it to show so the report was buried like it never existed. FDLE is already known to not always do thorough forensics work so it would not be the first time if they just dropped the ball here. If that happened then they have had plenty more than enough time to fix that. So where is the forensic evidence report for the ping logs ? And why should O’Mara even have to ask for it when it would clearly be Brady material which the State would be required by state and federal law to furnish a copy to O’Mara ? The state has a legal duty to disclose and to provide copy of such material evidence within 15 days under FRCP 3.220. Not having that forensic evidence report on the ping logs is not a little omission like a kid forgetting to bring their lunch money to school, this is more like the kid coming to school naked as a jaybird and saying what is everybody looking at and laughing at and pointing and pointing at me for. It isn’t just a little “technicality”.

waltherppk says:
September 22, 2012 at 1:30 am

The lead homicide investigator Chris Serino had direct responsibility IMO and certainly the people in his chain of command having supervisory responsibility are likewise accountable. Serino could have gotten a judge to sign a search warrant for the Sanford cell phone tower ping logs associated with the phone found at the scene of a homicide and any judge should have signed that warrant. Certainly the state attorney or ASA could also supoena the ping logs and probably anybody at the FDLE could have gotten the ping logs also. So no it isn’t a case at all of blame O’Mara from the beginning because this should have been done even before O’Mara became involved. O’Mara could be responsible for an already much too long delay in following up on the matter of the missing forensic evidence report involving the ping logs and making sure that forensic evidence report does not stay missing …or buried …such as the case may be. Yeah if that forensic evidence report is not produced even belatedly it would be professional malpractice by O’Mara for not making sure those ping logs are checked by a forensic expert. Everybody has questions about this glaring omission of a key forensic evidence report and so far there are answers. The state should have its feet held to the fire about this omission of key evidence. There is no excuse for the omission and it is extremely suspicious for such an omission to exist. It is entirely reasonable to believe the State is hiding something and acting in bad faith by concealing that forensic evidence report. The report is obviously missing for a reason. Since the state is the adversary of George it is also reasonable to believe that what the state is concealing is exculpatory evidence, and it is not lawful for the state to conceal any material evidence especially exculpatory evidence which has mandatory disclosure under both state and federal law that are well established. Concealing such material evidence is obstruction of justice and it is a crime and it is an unconstitutional violation of due process.
Since the mechanism of omission did not occur in a courtroom no immunity from criminal or civil liability exists for the persons including agents of the state and attorneys involved who would have broken several laws if there is a forensic evidence report already done which they have concealed and it is exculpatory. If that is the case then what has already occurred is bad faith and malicious prosecution. It will be no surprise if that turns out to be true. Florida like many other states tends to view what is “in the best interests of justice” as whatever course results in least liability for the lying crooks who run things the way they like without any conscienable regard for what is right or wrong or the law. It is all about the bottom line and what they think is good for themselves. Vested interest is the priority operating there not justice. Making it very public what they have done is important.

Good entertainment but let's talk some facts as i see it ... shall we.

First of all GZ never admitted chasing TM, many people think he ran but it's obvious he was likely walking at around 7 or 8 feet per second.

2nd, He was not committing any crime by trying to keep track of a very suspicious person who just circled his truck in an unfriendly manner.

The fact TM had any fear what's so ever is completely debunked.

The evidence shows it was actually TM who approached GZ in a threatening manner, had GZ been the aggressor it would have started away from the "T" and the witnesses would have heard it much louder near one of their windows.

What a coincidence GZ's story is backed up by all ... and the evidence.

Ya know TM ... if scared could've easily walked backwards all the way to Brandy's crash pad, but he decided to go back to confront and harass a resident not knowing who or what they were doing.

That right there is a classic case of paranoia violencia.

Trayvon had another opportunity to walk home but he decided to lay in wait and violently attack someone who he now knows is not police but only a justifiably concerned resident.

Trayvon's personality shows his distaste for authority and bad behavior as an unusual 17yr old who seemingly can't stand going to school except to harass and commit crimes against it.

waltherppk says:
September 24, 2012 at 4:22 am

Absolutely you do need the ping logs for several reasons and the time resolution for the actual calls in seconds is quite essential given the time rounding and approximation of billing records is not accurate enough for authenticating the alleged earwitness testimony even being possible to have occurred in the short time frame near to the time of the altercation and shooting. Also the phone found at the scene had a dead battery and was found fifty feet away from where the altercation began so these factors must be taken into account as additional resons why the more accurate ping log spreadsheets are required. There was not cooperation from the father of the deceased about providing the PIN for the police to access the phone which adds suspicion and interest in what a full forensics analysis may show otherwise about the phone itself or its contents.
No i am not obsessed about the ping logs but that is one essential part of the forensic analysis involving the phone which should have been part of the immediate investigation done back in early March. It is a very suspicious omission that a forensic report of complete nature has not been provided for that phone found at the scene and the activity on that phone, since that phone is part of the prosecution theory which was claimed by the State as basis for the probable cause affidavit and indictment. There is no good explanation why such a forensic evidence report has not been produced. It is a glaring omission and a suspicious omission and I do not believe it was simply carelessly forgotten or neglected to be done. There is a reason why that forensic evidence report including the ping logs is missing and one possible reason is because that forensic evidence impeaches the prosecution theory on which the case has been based and the forensic evidence report is being unlawfully suppressed in order to continue prosecution of what is already known to be a case which has no competent evidentiary basis.