Documents released today (9-19-2012)

http://randomtopics.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=195&p=15113#p15113

No smoking guns that I can see?

Sketches from witnesses showing "Red shirt" on bottom... "Black shirt" on top.
We already KNEW that was the testimony.... so the sketch adds nothing.

"No TM DNA on gun" has got the mob fired up? But that was already reported?

It is consistent (as is all evidence) with GZ's accounts.

Besides.... people do not seem to understand that although a Presence of DNA proves a link with a person, .......
An absence of DNA proves..... NOTHING really. It could mean no contact from a person, OR.... no DNA was transferred despite contact, OR.... the DNA was lost (washed off)

It seems to me that many of the "Pro-TM" imagined scenarios involve TM grabbing the gun? So I am at a loss as to why they have hit on the "No TM DNA" information as good news?
The opposite finding is what their hypothesis would predict. So if anything it DISPROVES what many have been claiming (guessing)

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I took a peek, as well. It's a confusing, difficult format but the posters are great! So refreshing to read what logical, intelligent, rational people with a good sense of humor have to say!

Yes, stepping away from reading the wild fairy tales those JQers post is the best thing I have done. The same, daily hashing and re-hashing. The tears, the anger, the name calling! How long can they keep this up?

Here we are again, with another doc dump that has nothing new. Yet in their wild imaginations, they see that it goes "against" GZ. Never mind that the lack of DNA on the gun confirms what GZ has said all along.

I will not forget that even Bill Shaeffer, after GZ's police demonstration of what happened, said that there was nothing there that contradicted (my paraphrase) anything GZ had said to date. Bill Shaeffer is someone whose opinion I respect, after seeing him opine on the Casey Anthony case.

New Evidence In Zimmerman Case – And Hints At NAACP Pressure 3 days after shooting….
Posted on September 19, 2012 by sundancecracker


The Orlando Sentinel has the story about the New Evidence released today. Nothing spectacular, DNA tests confirm Trayvon DNA on George’s clothes, George’s DNA on Trayvon’s clothes, both of their DNA in blood stains…. etc

It appears the evidence proves, once again, they were in an indefinitely timed, hand-to-hand combat/MMA style fight; just as previously described by witness “John” and George Zimmerman himself.

Again, just like all the known investigative evidence so far, nothing forensically is disputing the prior explanations as they were recounted by George Zimmerman during each of the multiple hour interrogations/interviews with police.

.....more at link
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... -shooting/

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I've never read there, but after reading the quotes you've posted, I got curious. There are quite a few extremely intelligent and funny posters there. I hope that jello333 and some of the others will join us here at RT!

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The Mob clamour for "Doc Dumps" ... yet apparently don't read, or at least take much notice... don't notice that some things are not new at all... it's "New" to them I guess since they did not comprehend it the first time around

The Trayvon Zone Mob continue to get things completely ass-backwards

They salivate over picking GZ's story apart (since everything he says is a lie)... it amounts to no more than nit-picking minor points... but even if it were somehow a more comprehensive discrediting of GZ's story..... that is NOT how a criminal case proceeds. The prosecution have to put forward a case... the trial will NOT be based on GZ telling his story and then the prosecution saying "Liar liar.. pants on fire" .... That is how some Forums work.. but not how the judicial system works.
The prosecution need evidence that supports their version... at the very least, they need a version of events. They seem to have nothing?

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I am stunned that so many people on a few boards I read at have a definite opinion that Trayvon was the victim and that it's GZ's fault for trailing him. Yet people by nature do tend to check out someone wandering in a community if they don't know the person and after trouble with break ins etc. And during a fight either party may become in fear of their life.

Glad to see you get it Packy.

I can't say I'm "stunned" though.

I have seen the same "mob hysteria" posting over previous cases.

I cringe a little... because I was part of it in the Casey Anthony Case... but in mitigation... my outspoken posting was based on a VERY detailed knowledge of the facts of that case

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Zimmerman's attorney wants more DNA testing done
Posted: Sep 21, 2012 12:10 AM Updated: Sep 21, 2012 12:10 AM
By Valerie Boey, Reporter

After new evidence was released in the State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman case, Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara has made plans to hit back. He says, he's going to ask for more DNA testing.

This after new discovery documents released from the State Attorneys' office revealed DNA test that showed George Zimmerman was the only person who held the grip of the handgun used to shoot and kill Trayvon Martin.

RELATED STORY: More documents released in Zimmerman case

However, DNA on the holster shows the presence of three people, including Zimmerman. Defense attorney Mark O'Mara says, it needs to be looked into, "We need to see if we can identify whose DNA it was on the holster. It's one of those things that causes more questions than it answers. Now we need to go look and see," O'Mara said.

Zimmerman told investigators Trayvon Martin reached for the gun. But never said whether he touched the gun. "I wasn't expecting to find any DNA evidence of significance on the gun, so this is what I expected," O'Mara went on to say.

While thousands of pages and recordings have been submitted into discovery by different agencies, O'Mara says the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) and the Department of Justice (DOJ) are stalling. "I know that I've gotten about 30-35 pages from them of witness statements and I have to imagine that when an FBI does an investigation of a magnitude of this, that there's a lot more documents out there. I think we deserve to get them," he said.

We contacted both the FBI and the Department of Justice to ask them some questions, but no one from either office answered our questions. In the meantime, O'Mara says he'll keep pushing for more documents in the case.

"I'm getting a little bit frustrated because it's delaying our process. There's a lot of information out there and we need to have all of it before we can move forward with our case," O'Mara said.

....more at link
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/19592 ... z272W5jLkb

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also.....

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Prosecutors: Keep Trayvon Martin's school records secret
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
1:49 p.m. EST, September 20, 2012

SANFORD - Prosecutors in the George Zimmerman case suggest defense attorney Mark O'Mara is trying to "chum the waters" by digging up Trayvon Martin's school disciplinary records.

In a new pleading, they ask the judge to seal whatever those records show and in the future to keep O'Mara's subpoenas a secret.
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De la Rionda also yesterday filed a new evidence list – his eighth. It shows that a book and television appearance by Zimmerman's self-proclaimed best friend, former Seminole County deputy Mark Osterman, are now officially part of the case prosecutors are building against Zimmerman.

...more at link
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... erman-case

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18th Circuit Court - Media Advisories

It is the goal of the Eighteenth Judicial Circuit to ensure that the media and public are accommodated to the best of the Court's abilities during special interest/high profile proceedings. Below you will find media advisories and public record documents pertaining to State v. Zimmerman (2012-CF-001083-A). Please continue to check this website for updates. Documents will be posted as they are made available for public distribution.

HIGH PROFILE CASES - State v. Zimmerman (2012-CF-001083-A)

http://www.flcourts18.org/presspublic.html

Media Advisories are updated with new releases



Updated | Case Description

09-19-02 | State's Response to Defendant's Notice of Production
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Rel ... uction.pdf

09-19-12 | State's 8th Supplemental Discovery
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Rel ... covery.pdf

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What? Does the State have a double standard? They released George's school records to the public and now want Trayvon's kept secret? And even keep subpoenas secret too? Whatever happened to the Florida Sunshine Laws?

I've never mentioned this before, but about 8 years ago (IIRC), there were a number of break-ins and car thefts in my small townhouse community. I was very alert while I was walking my dog around the development and I would write down the license plate numbers of any cars I did not recognize. (I was planning on providing the info to police in case another theft occurred!) One vehicle had a very dark cover over the license plate (and extremely darkly tinted windows). I had to get right next to the car to see the license number. Well, it turns out that a man was in the car and he rolled down his window and asked me what I was doing! I explained the reason and he was very nice about it, but he left rather quickly! I also nicely questioned a few people and explained the reason.

After this case, I'll think twice before doing that again, but I don't think it was wrong to do so, under the circumstances. (And it wasn't racial. I'm white and they were white.)

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I don't get it either!

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Since the state has entered GZ's interview with Hannity and the Oesterman's interview with Dr Phil and their book into evidence or discovery, MOM should enter all the Martin/Fulton interviews, speeches, statements etc. into evidence as well. And Crump and company's statements etc. too...

Generally... the Florida Sunshine law is preferable to the opposite situation (eg in NZ) where EVERYTHING is kept secret (sub judice)

Some things should be exempt (as they are). The lawyers can see the stuff.. but not the public

GZ's school records should not have been released.. but "two wrongs don't make a right"...

TM's records can remain sealed.. unless there are relevant bits.

What might make information about TM's character relevant, is the FALSE narrative that has been touted. Facts to refute that are now relevant.

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Just to jump on a CTH bandwagon...

ALL the relevant phone cell tower ping reports should be made public. And SHOULD have been made public from the start!!!

That info is vital to establishing if a lot of what is being claimed actually happened at all.. or at the times people claim.

That information is NOT a revelation of any personal call content and so is hardly private.

It was available in the Anthony case...for instance.

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A small point of interest from article about Jeff Ashton (Casey Anthony case)

State attorney elect Jeff Ashton sends 'firing' letters to prosecutors
Posted: 4:21 p.m. Thursday, Sept. 20, 2012

....SNIP


Everyone got the same letter and they were sent to the prosecutors' homes.

The letters read,
"After a thorough review of your employment history, as reflected in your personnel file, combined with my own personal familiarity with your work history, I have concluded that I will not be offering you employment with my administration."

Veteran prosecutor Dorothy Segwick also received the letter.

She is the wife of Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester, who recently recused himself from the Trayvon Martin case, after making disparaging comments about defendant George Zimmerman.



Article....
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/sta ... ett/nSGjd/

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I agree about the tower information although they say sometimes it can be inaccurate. If the person was in places where there were fewer towers like out in the country areas or the edge of a big metropolitan area it may be harder to find three towers available for triangulation.

Heard you about how you were checking people out in your development, Mal. Glad that man took off because who knows if he was up to something or not and you may have been too close to him. EEK!