The point is/was.......

..... that.....

Trayvon was NOT just a little child... on his way back from the shops with sweeties for his little bother


George was not a White Racist out to shoot any old black kid.


The story put out is a LIE!!!!

There is ONLY GZ's version of events... and that is backed up by ALL the witnesses (what little they saw and heard)

You HAVE to accept that version unless there is some evidence of another... and there is not.

so..................... what you may have read is UNTRUE

[b]The gun thing is NOT the norm in Australia (or NZ)...

Well I think this is clearly a case of "Alien abduction" gone horribly wrong!
(Everyone is entitled to an opinion doncha know!!)

Dear, sweet, innocent child, Trayvon was skipping home... splashing playfully in rain puddles.

Not a care in world... on his way home from the shops having spent some of his pocket money.

Aside: Trayvon worked hard at his home "chores" to earn his weekly $5.00 pocket money, but his only thought was to buy a watermelon drink and some sweeties for his little "brother". He planed to donate the rest of his pocket money to his favourite charity, as he always did.

Along comes overweight George (Gorgon) Zimmerman. He looks pretty weird and anybody can see he clearly matches the profile of a VENUSIAN!!!. An evil alien race well known for snatching cute little boys off the street... but strangely enough not known for simply blowing them away?


I think George reached for his transporter zapper.... but got confused and grabbed his gun by mistake? It's obvious if you look at the evidence and what all the witnesses heard and all. George was on prescription psychotropic drugs at the time and Venusians go nuts on those. I'm sure. Besides.... Venusians who join NW are mostly bad bastards.

All Venusians are liars... THAT is proven by the fact nobody knows about them and all the abducting they do. So George would have bashed himself on the head before the cops got there. Lucky they didn't search him and find his Transporter Zapper!!

It all fits. It makes me mad when people can't see how innocent Trayvon was and what an evil Venusian George is.

The only thing I don't understand is....
Clearly George set out to hunt down and abduct Trayvon. (kill him as it turns out) So WHY did he call the cops? He stayed on phone with them and KNEW they were minutes (perhaps seconds) away. Why would he risk doing ANYTHING to Trayvon?
Venusians sure are dumb!

Tragedies like this could be avoided if Venusians just stayed in their spaceships!!

Sundance's post is, for the most part, right on the money. Amazing Tracy has been able to carry this fraud this far. And the picture of Sybrina...she doesn't appear much younger than she is now...why would a "God fearing woman" take a photo posing like that?

I really believe there has to be people who are close to this family who know the truth. It's amazing none have come forward, but I guess they all have to stick together. Afterall, it's "us" against "them", you know...and then there's the fear of reprecussions...look what happened to GZ's friend, Joe Oliver.

Repeating a point or two.

I see debate over GZ's injuries continues.

1.They look serious to me, but people persist in minimising them. If I was on my way to the store.. it would be a SERIOUS matter to end up with those injuries.

2. Self defence does not require you take a beating.. and only react when injuries reach a certain point of seriousness. NO INJURIES would not negate the right to self defence.... and here we do have some injuries.

Dee Dee never said TM was at the mail shelter when he first noticed GZ. She said that's where TM was when he first mentioned seeing GZ to her. Two different things. He passed GZ at the clubhouse to get to the mailbox.

Why do you refer to whether GZ said he saw or didn't see TM at the mailboxes as an admission? It doesn't discredit him either way.

The likely scenario in my view, consistent with both GZ and DeeDee:
According to Dee Dee, Trayvon is at the mailboxes when he first tells her George is watching him in his car and he tells her George is on the phone. So Trayvon has walked from 1460 Retreat View Circle where George first saw him, towards George, who is sitting in his car at the clubhouse on the phone with non-emergency, and passes George (staring at him.) Trayvon reaches the mailboxes (after which George lost sight of him, prompting his statement to the dispatcher, “these as*sholes, they always get away.”) Dee Dee says Trayvon starts walking and they lose phone contact.

Trayvon either walks down the front of TTL or down the shared path. He can see GZ driving down TTL but GZ can't see him. When Trayvon and Dee Dee reconnect, Trayvon tells her the man is still watching him, following him, and he puts up his hoodie because it's raining. She says Trayvon is still walking but getting ready to run. Trayvon is probably behind the houses on Twin Trees Lane now, so that as George parks at Twin Trees Lane, he doesn’t see Trayvon until after he has parked and Trayvon unexpectedly re-appears and circles his truck and then runs off.

Then Dee Dee says she could hear Trayvon running, breathing hard and then Trayvon tells her he lost the man. He’s almost to his father’s house. Trayvon now thinks he has lost George because once he ran from the area, he couldn’t see George, but unbeknownst to him, at this time George is walking along the top of the “T” towards Retreat View Circle, to confirm for the dispatcher which way Trayvon ran and get an address.

Dee Dee says Trayvon then “started walking back.” (She doesn’t say Trayvon “started back walking” which might mean he resumed walking – she says he “started walking back” which implies a direction or place he was returning to.) She tells Trayvon to keep running to his father's house and he says he's not going to run anymore. At this time, Trayvon is probably walking back up the shared path between houses towards the “T.” He tells her he sees George again. At this point, George is probably still walking to Retreat View Circle to get an address and Trayvon can see him from wherever he is on the shared path. Considering the darkness, Trayvon must be pretty close to the “T” again. Dee Dee says a couple of minutes pass. It’s probably during these couple of minutes that George reached Retreat View Circle, stayed for a bit, hung up with non-emergency, put his phone away and began walking back to his car.

Dee Dee says after these couple of minutes, Trayvon tells her George is “getting real close.” Trayvon can probably see very clearly now because he's hiding– probably behind the hedges at 1211 Twin Trees Lane and he sees George, who is on his way back t his car, approaching . I personally think he then ran across to the backyards of 2841/2851 RVC, from where he jumped out at GZ, but that's just my theory.

XXXXXX You might see more clearly if you'd look for his (Zimmerman's) narrative of events instead of nitpicking answers to questions that include misinterpretations of what he just tried to explain.

He really doesn't vary from his narrative. Does that make it true? Who knows. But his version is consistent, it's hampered only by questions which misstate his previous answers.

How many times did he tell Singleton the circling was when he was at TTL, and the circling is not the same event as the one when Trayvon first approached his car at the clubhouse? At least 3 by my count.

Who cares whether it's by the clubhouse or at the clubhouse? Maybe he also stopped at the mailboxes. This is the night of the event and the next day and he's trying to recount a traumatic event step by step. That’s difficult for anyone to do.

I make my clients “walk me” through traffic stops and arrests and searches step by step, as close as possible to the event, before their memories fade. They get frustrated, they want to tell the main points and I want baby steps, in sequence. Getting the exact events for a traffic stop can take 3 hours of questioning, and there is no trauma like an assault or death involved. GZ was interviewed for less than two hours, by an officer not familiar with the neighborhood, who hadn’t been to the scene, who kept mixing things up when she repeated what she thought he had said. He started out trying to give her the main points, not knowing to distinguish between point A and point B. When she mixes the two up, he is quick to correct her on all points. He also corrects Serino on the dispatcher not instructing him not to follow Trayvon

He never varies on where Trayvon attacked him, when TM ran, that he cried out for help, that the guy who came out went back in to call 911 instead of helping him . That he was attacked for no reason, out of nowhere. That he kept asking for the police to come. That he never confronted or intended to confront TM, he expected police to do that. That he thought he was responding to the dispatcher’s questions when he got out of the car – to get an address and see which way Trayvon had run.

The jury won’t nitpick this. Why? Because it’s all pretty irrelevant to the charges: Did Trayvon attack him, and when he shot him, did he reasonably believe himself to be in danger of serious bodily injury or death?

No matter where he was, there’s no indication he did anything to provoke Martin’s use of force against him. And even if the jury thinks he did, it still has to acquit him unless it finds he had some other lesser means of extricating himself from danger posed by Trayvon’s fracturing his nose and banging his head into cement.

Witness 6 says TM was on top and GZ was trying to get up and couldn’t. GZ says every time he tried to sit up and get out from under TM, TM would slam his head back down. He has injuries, they don’t have to be life-threatening. What reasonable person wouldn’t fear serious bodily injury if unable to stop the attack? What other means did he have at his disposal – regardless of whether TM saw his gun and was reaching for it?

Keep in mind, GZ’s belief that TM had seen his gun and was reaching for it doesn’t have to be real; it just has to be reasonable and he really had to have believed it.

He had no way out from under TM. If he reasonably feared serious bodily injury or death, whether the aggressor or not at that point, he’s justified in using lethal force.

You are using a microscope to critique points I doubt will make a difference in terms of disproving his defense. Just look though the big lens and see the whole picture. I think it’s right in front of you.

jello333 says:
September 19, 2012 at 1:42 am

God, what is wrong with you guys?! George thought that Trayvon might be casing houses, either for a break-in right then, or preparing for one later. THAT is what George suspected. WAS that what Trayvon was actually up to? Not as far as we know. But by the same token, we don’t know that he WASN’T up to something like that. Do we? Ok, so George thinks Tryavon might be contemplating a break-in, and so he calls the cops. What exactly is so crazy, so extreme, so malicious about that… especially considering the recent history of the neighborhood? And everything that follows is about George trying to give the dispatcher info about this suspicious person, and Trayvon apparently planning how HE is gonna confront George… NOT the other way around.

Oh, and you know this, but I’ll repeat it anyway: The only reason George shot Trayvon is because he was, at a minimum, committing aggravated battery on George, or possibly even trying to kill him. Are you claiming that is not likely?… or lemme re-word that, are you claiming that is not at least POSSIBLE?

jello333 says:
September 19, 2012 at 1:52 am

Hey, guess what? George doesn’t NEED stand-your-ground to prevail in this case. One of the main parts of SYG is that you don’t have to retreat. But as I’m sure you know by now, George was TRYING to escape, but he COULDN’T. So why would he claim he has a SYG defense, when he couldn’t even use the “no need to retreat” clause? George doesn’t need it, he’s got centuries-old, near universally-recognized, traditional SELF-DEFENSE on his side. Surely you’re not gonna bash traditional self-defense now, are you?

jello333 says:
September 19, 2012 at 2:17 am

.........I’m not sure I should help them out, but I’m feeling generous tonight. So if any JQ people are still here, I think this is probably what really happened that night:

Trayvon saw how tired and thirsty George was from all the chasing, and so he met him at the “T”, with the intent to offer him a drink of his watermelon juice. But when he went to pull it from his pocket, the bag it was still in snagged on the zipper of his jacket, then suddenly tore loose, causing the can to sorta fly out like from a sling-shot. Got poor George right in the nose! Then, as we’ve described, George staggered around awhile before falling. He hit the back of his head on the sidewalk, and became delusional, thrashing around violently. So Trayvon, realizing George was gonna seriously hurt himself if he didn’t stop, got on top of him trying to prevent further injury. George kept trying to sit up, but not knowing whether he had injured his neck or not, Trayvon correctly tried to convince him to stay down. Sadly, despite all the good Trayvon was trying to do, in George’s confused state he didn’t understand, and finally pulled out his gun, and…. well…