The non-trivial issue with theories that GZ was the criminal aggressor is that is conjecture and speculation for which no evidence exists to support such theory. It requires more than just theory to constitute probable cause and it takes way more than probable cause to honestly secure a criminal conviction based upon facts and evidence which are not just conjecture, speculation, and theory. You can’t just propose some “alternative plausible scenario” and call it probable cause, and that is what has been done with the criminal allegations against GZ. The prosecution case is a theory and it isn’t even a good theory because it doesn’t square with the facts and evidence.
It would be hard to call it an SYG case since it would be difficult to SYG while flat on your back getting your brains beat out by an attacker. The only aspect of SYG that would seem pertinent is the associated immunity statute for self defense, and the SYG issue is basically a red herring that is brought in as an attempeted justification for the battery of GZ by TM who is speculated and theorized to have been standing HIS ground against GZ, in response to some again theoretical aggression by GZ. The problem is there is no evidence to support that theory so you can have a theory all day with no evidence and it has no legal weight or meaning, it is conjecture and speculation. On the other hand there is evidence to support a self defense claim by GZ in this situation where other scenarios which may be plausible have no supporting evidence at all. The trayvon apologists don’t seem to understand that there is a weight of evidence and witnesses which supports the account of GZ and even the deposition of DeeDee supports the account of GZ which is ironic if DeeDee is somehow the “star witness” for the prosecution. So the prosecution has nothing, a big fat zero. That is exactly why there never should have been an arrest, much less a trial. No man should be tried on the basis of other people’s unsubstantiated theories supported by no evidence whatever, when all the evidence shows self-defense is what occurred.

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s.776.021, s.776.012, or s.776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force,

776.012 - Use of force in defense of person
However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.
The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force

Zimmerman can provoke the use of force and still be justified in his use of force under 776.012, which makes him eligible for immunity under 776.032. All he has to do is be justified under 776.012. If he had no lesser means at his disposal to stop TM's attack, and he could not extricate himself to stop the attack, and he's the aggressor, he's justified under 776.012 . That's the argument O'Mara is making and I think he's right.

The only thing an aggressor can't claim is immunity under Stand Your Ground, 776.013. GZ doesn't need it. 776.041 doesn't preclude an aggressor being justified under 776.012 provided he meets one of the two criteria and Zimmerman does, he couldn't get away and had no lesser means to stop the attack. Thus, he fits under 776.12 and is immune under 776.032.

on 20 August 2012.
We object to the State’s request for additional medical records, as there has been no showing of relevance, or that these records would lead to discoverable, relevant information. We have agreed to review the records and voluntarily disclose what may be relevant.

Dee Dee never said TM was at the mail shelter when he first noticed GZ. She said that's where TM was when he first mentioned seeing GZ to her. Two different things. He passed GZ at the clubhouse to get to the mailbox.

Why do you refer to whether GZ said he saw or didn't see TM at the mailboxes as an admission? It doesn't discredit him either way.

The likely scenario in my view, consistent with both GZ and DeeDee:
According to Dee Dee, Trayvon is at the mailboxes when he first tells her George is watching him in his car and he tells her George is on the phone. So Trayvon has walked from 1460 Retreat View Circle where George first saw him, towards George, who is sitting in his car at the clubhouse on the phone with non-emergency, and passes George (staring at him.) Trayvon reaches the mailboxes (after which George lost sight of him, prompting his statement to the dispatcher, “these as*sholes, they always get away.”) Dee Dee says Trayvon starts walking and they lose phone contact.

Trayvon either walks down the front of TTL or down the shared path. He can see GZ driving down TTL but GZ can't see him. When Trayvon and Dee Dee reconnect, Trayvon tells her the man is still watching him, following him, and he puts up his hoodie because it's raining. She says Trayvon is still walking but getting ready to run. Trayvon is probably behind the houses on Twin Trees Lane now, so that as George parks at Twin Trees Lane, he doesn’t see Trayvon until after he has parked and Trayvon unexpectedly re-appears and circles his truck and then runs off.

Then Dee Dee says she could hear Trayvon running, breathing hard and then Trayvon tells her he lost the man. He’s almost to his father’s house. Trayvon now thinks he has lost George because once he ran from the area, he couldn’t see George, but unbeknownst to him, at this time George is walking along the top of the “T” towards Retreat View Circle, to confirm for the dispatcher which way Trayvon ran and get an address.

Dee Dee says Trayvon then “started walking back.” (She doesn’t say Trayvon “started back walking” which might mean he resumed walking – she says he “started walking back” which implies a direction or place he was returning to.) She tells Trayvon to keep running to his father's house and he says he's not going to run anymore. At this time, Trayvon is probably walking back up the shared path between houses towards the “T.” He tells her he sees George again. At this point, George is probably still walking to Retreat View Circle to get an address and Trayvon can see him from wherever he is on the shared path. Considering the darkness, Trayvon must be pretty close to the “T” again. Dee Dee says a couple of minutes pass. It’s probably during these couple of minutes that George reached Retreat View Circle, stayed for a bit, hung up with non-emergency, put his phone away and began walking back to his car.

Dee Dee says after these couple of minutes, Trayvon tells her George is “getting real close.” Trayvon can probably see very clearly now because he's hiding– probably behind the hedges at 1211 Twin Trees Lane and he sees George, who is on his way back t his car, approaching . I personally think he then ran across to the backyards of 2841/2851 RVC, from where he jumped out at GZ, but that's just my theory.

on 22 August 2012.

Today we are inactivating the George Zimmerman Legal Case page on Facebook. We established the page in late April as a companion to the GZlegalcase.com website and @gzlegalcase Twitter account. On April 28, we published an article called “Why Social Media for George Zimmerman,” where we established seven goals for our digital media presence. While Facebook helped meet most of these goals during the first three months of its activation, it has been providing diminishing returns since and has increasingly become a concern to us.
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How Facebook Has Not Helped
One of our published goals is Discouraging Speculation, and Facebook, by its nature, does not help us with this goal. Every post made on Facebook becomes an open thread where anyone on the site can comment, and comments inevitably lead to conversations about evidence and speculation about guilt or innocence. This type of conversation is a natural part of discourse, and there are plenty of places on the Internet where it is appropriate for this to happen, but it need not happen on a page hosted by the defense.

This illustrates our biggest challenge with the page on Facebook: we cannot post without allowing comments. With comments active, each thread becomes a discussion forum. While we are not responsible for the comments people leave on our page, because we have the ability to delete comments, what we choose not to delete reflects on the defense team. Since we can ban users from posting on the page, who we choose not to ban reflects on the defense team. Admittedly, it does not always reflect well, and that is a concern for the defense. Because our page on Facebook has already accomplished many of our goals, allowing this concern to exist is not prudent.
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NOT RACE, BUT MENTAL ILLNESS: the phenotype that is George Zimmerman

http://themodernmedicineman.com/not-rac ... zimmerman/

Another forum posted the above article....eye opening, for sure and I have always stated, 'There's something wrong with George Zimmerman"!
Wrong in the way he processes info, wrong in the way his mentality processes info...just plain wrong in how he handled this situation and the others...

The article is really a good read...Don't know if Rumpie will agree...