I don't trust these prosecutors. I wouldn't put it past them to do what defense attorneys do by trying to hide something by burying it in piles of data.

I know we haven't seen the complete phone records of TM and Dee Dee, but I don't know if Mr. O'Mara has them.

I am interested in them because I find Dee Dee's testimony to be untrue because of her behavior, but she did say she sent Mr. Martin a text. If that text showed some concern, I would be tempted to look at her testimony again.

I've seen that about the full toxicology report but I thought the one we saw was it. I don't remember seeing anywhere in the report where there was more expected. I did hear Dr. Wecht say the readings can't be trusted because the coroner took the blood from the wrong area.

There Will Be A "Stand Your Ground" Hearing in the George Zimmerman Case
on 09 August 2012.



Since the beginning, there has been a rush to judgement in the case against George Zimmerman. Since the first day of his involvement, Mr. O’Mara has emphasized that people should be patient and wait for the evidence to be released before forming opinions about the case.

Now that the State has released the majority of their discovery, the defense asserts that there is clear support for a strong claim of self-defense. Consistent with this claim of self-defense, there will be a “Stand Your Ground” hearing.

In the case against George Zimmerman, a “Stand Your Ground” hearing will essentially be a mini-trial. Most of the arguments, witnesses, experts, and evidence that the defense would muster in a criminal trial will be presented in the “Stand Your Ground” hearing.

There are significant differences between a “Stand Your Ground” hearing and a trial. In a “Stand Your Ground” hearing, there is no jury; the decision is made by the judge alone. In a criminal trial, the prosecution must prove the defendant’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, but in a “Stand Your Ground” hearing, the burden is on the defense to prove that the evidence fits the conditions of the “Stand Your Ground” law. If the Court rules in favor of the defendant in a “Stand Your Ground” hearing, not only are criminal charges dismissed, the defendant is also immune from civil actions related to the shooting. The primary focus of a “Stand Your Ground” hearing is whether George Zimmerman reasonably believed that his use of his weapon was necessary to prevent great bodily harm to himself at the hands of Trayvon Martin.

Preparing for the “Stand Your Ground” hearing will require the same time and resources that would be necessary to prepare for a trial. It will take time to collect and submit reciprocal discovery, depose witnesses and experts, and identify evidence to be submitted during the hearing. We anticipate this will still take several months. Mr. O’Mara, again, urges everyone to be patient during this process and to reserve judgment until the evidence is presented in the “Stand Your Ground” hearing.

I don't trust these prosecutors. I wouldn't put it past them to do what defense attorneys do by trying to hide something by burying it in piles of data.

I know we haven't seen the complete phone records of TM and Dee Dee, but I don't know if Mr. O'Mara has them.

I am interested in them because I find Dee Dee's testimony to be untrue because of her behavior, but she did say she sent Mr. Martin a text. If that text showed some concern, I would be tempted to look at her testimony again.

I've seen that about the full toxicology report but I thought the one we saw was it. I don't remember seeing anywhere in the report where there was more expected. I did hear Dr. Wecht say the readings can't be trusted because the coroner took the blood from the wrong area.

In this case...there is absolutely do doubt that George Zimmerman "Did It"

He has admitted shooting TM... that fact is not in dispute.

However most of the discussion beyond that is about how dishonest, evil, fat, greedy, racist, dumb (but conniving) etc he is. There is little truth and no point to any of that.

Clearly we can all hear in his NEN call that minutes before the shooting, George was relatively calm.. certainly not rabid and out of control. There is no indication that he was out for blood.. to shoot some stranger (preferably black). The discussion along those lines points to... out of control posters, rather than an out of control GZ.
And if he was "out to get" TM as many propose... why would he first call the cops to come catch him in the act? He was on the phone with NEN... knew that LE was minutes if not seconds away... it MAKES NO SENSE that he would attack TM in any way....... and he didn't... of that I am sure.

As Jeralyn Merritt (Lawyer) points out... GZ has recounted a CONSISTENT (and plausible) version of events. Time and time again to LE (and others) with variations in that story only those you would expect from any eyewitness. Furthermore... GZ PASSED a Voice stress test!!! (Lie detector). He has been open and cooperative with LE. NONE of the witness testimony is at odds with Georges story.. not even Dee Dee (and I doubt her story will stand in its latest form).

Following any physical altercation... there will usually be "two sides" to it. Perhaps if there was a "Trayvon" version there might be reason to discount some details of GZ's version... but there is not... TM is dead. So like it or not... GZ's version is the only one there is. Unless the State has some evidence to disprove the main parts of his story.. he should NEVER have been charged. They continue to imply that they have evidence... but so far have revealed NONE.
This charge against GZ is a Politically and financially motivated travesty of justice. I hope it stops soon.

Not to sound like "debbie downer," but I don't think Judge Lester has the ....er.....gumption to make a SYG decision in favor of GZ on his own. I'm thinking he is sending this straight to trial for a jury to take the heat.

(guess we'll eventually need a poll for a SYG decision by Judge Lester? )

You're right about being wary of the prosecution. Even Jeff Ashton of the Casey Anthony Case was accused and reprimanded for doing the very thing you described above in another case - keeping evidence under wraps.

To me, DeeDee is a loose cannon. I don't find her testimony reliable, as it was corrupted by Crump. I find most of the witnesses' statements useless, for that matter, for various reasons. Nothing in this case is cut and dried and from what O'Mara has stated regarding the evidence, I do believe there is nothing further as far as bombshell, opinion-changing evidence. Not happening.

I don't see that GZ school records have much relevance to the case.

The College stuff shows that GZ was not well versed in legal matters as Lester falsely stated.

What WOULD BE RELEVANT are TM's school records, especially details of disciplinary actions. That is very much relevant in counteracting the false narrative that continues to be foisted on the public. It is important that the defence show that TM was infact capable of attacking GZ.

Rumpole's Golden Thread

There is a single golden thread running through the web of English Criminal Law which is that the burden of proving guilt rests with the prosecution ... a man shall be presumed innocent until proven otherwise.