flareon Hi!

I thought it mostly depended on age ... and he's in his 20's.

But I guess I really thought since he was the Captain of the Neighborhood Watch he might know the 6-8 streets in his complex where he lived.

Guess not.

Remote Hi!

I was being kind when I said 6 - 8. I wasn't sure how many.

XXXXXX You might see more clearly if you'd look for his (Zimmerman's) narrative of events instead of nitpicking answers to questions that include misinterpretations of what he just tried to explain.

He really doesn't vary from his narrative. Does that make it true? Who knows. But his version is consistent, it's hampered only by questions which misstate his previous answers.

How many times did he tell Singleton the circling was when he was at TTL, and the circling is not the same event as the one when Trayvon first approached his car at the clubhouse? At least 3 by my count.

Who cares whether it's by the clubhouse or at the clubhouse? Maybe he also stopped at the mailboxes. This is the night of the event and the next day and he's trying to recount a traumatic event step by step. That’s difficult for anyone to do.

I make my clients “walk me” through traffic stops and arrests and searches step by step, as close as possible to the event, before their memories fade. They get frustrated, they want to tell the main points and I want baby steps, in sequence. Getting the exact events for a traffic stop can take 3 hours of questioning, and there is no trauma like an assault or death involved. GZ was interviewed for less than two hours, by an officer not familiar with the neighborhood, who hadn’t been to the scene, who kept mixing things up when she repeated what she thought he had said. He started out trying to give her the main points, not knowing to distinguish between point A and point B. When she mixes the two up, he is quick to correct her on all points. He also corrects Serino on the dispatcher not instructing him not to follow Trayvon

He never varies on where Trayvon attacked him, when TM ran, that he cried out for help, that the guy who came out went back in to call 911 instead of helping him . That he was attacked for no reason, out of nowhere. That he kept asking for the police to come. That he never confronted or intended to confront TM, he expected police to do that. That he thought he was responding to the dispatcher’s questions when he got out of the car – to get an address and see which way Trayvon had run.

The jury won’t nitpick this. Why? Because it’s all pretty irrelevant to the charges: Did Trayvon attack him, and when he shot him, did he reasonably believe himself to be in danger of serious bodily injury or death?

No matter where he was, there’s no indication he did anything to provoke Martin’s use of force against him. And even if the jury thinks he did, it still has to acquit him unless it finds he had some other lesser means of extricating himself from danger posed by Trayvon’s fracturing his nose and banging his head into cement.

Witness 6 says TM was on top and GZ was trying to get up and couldn’t. GZ says every time he tried to sit up and get out from under TM, TM would slam his head back down. He has injuries, they don’t have to be life-threatening. What reasonable person wouldn’t fear serious bodily injury if unable to stop the attack? What other means did he have at his disposal – regardless of whether TM saw his gun and was reaching for it?

Keep in mind, GZ’s belief that TM had seen his gun and was reaching for it doesn’t have to be real; it just has to be reasonable and he really had to have believed it.

He had no way out from under TM. If he reasonably feared serious bodily injury or death, whether the aggressor or not at that point, he’s justified in using lethal force.

You are using a microscope to critique points I doubt will make a difference in terms of disproving his defense. Just look though the big lens and see the whole picture. I think it’s right in front of you.

Zimmerman Defense Files Motion to Continue
on 07 August 2012.
The Court granted the defense team’s Motion to Continue, which postpones the Docket Sounding scheduled on Wednesday August 8 until October 3. The purpose of a Docket Sounding is to provide the Court with an update regarding the progress of the case, and to establish a timeline for official legal proceedings, whether that be motion hearings, disposition, or trial.

We filed our Motion to Continue because there is still a great deal of information to be gathered regarding this case, and we are in the early stages of preparing our reciprocal discovery -- a process that can take a few months -- and it is simply too early in the process to set firm trial dates.

This motion is consistent with a rough timeline for defending Mr. Zimmerman that we described in a release dated June 1, a timeline that includes: drafting discovery requests and working through potential resistance; deposing more than 50 potential witnesses and experts; and filing appropriate motions (including a potential “stand your ground” motion).

Moreover, since our June 1 statement, a number of issues, including the revocation of Mr. Zimmerman’s bond and our Motion to Disqualify Trial Judge, have added to the complexity of the defense process.

Moving forward, we expect there will be additional motions to continue, and it is anticipated, though not certain, that this case will not be ready for trial until early next year.

UPDATE - HEARING POSTPONED

GeorgeZimmerman's docket sounding, which was scheduled for tomorrow, has been delayed to Oct. 3, court says.

REMINDER: There is a Hearing set down in the Zimmerman case

Next Wednesday, 8th August 8:30AM EDST


NEW DATE: Wednesday, 3rd October


From Seminole County Clerk's Office
07/10/2012 SYS AMENDED NOTICE FOR DOCKET SOUNDING AUG 08, 2012 AT 08:30 AM PRINTED

http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDo ... 2CF001083A

Reposting from a couple of pages back




I came across this excellent reply by "TalkLeft" at the TalkLeft forum.

http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php


Replying to a poster who (like many) insists on picking away at minor points and MISSES the larger picture

(Bold words inserted by me)

I don't blame Mr. O'Mara for doing this. He was given thousands of documents and other information. Probably most of it is useless but he would be derelict in not going through every bit of it to make sure they are not trying to hide something important in the minutiae.

flareon Hi!

It really doesn't matter I guess to us whether we know the names of our streets, but if it is someone's "job/vocation/passion", they might want to take 10 minutes out and memorize the few street names within the complex. Surely - this is not the first time he called about a suspicious looking person and HAD to give locations. Kind of a "head's up" for some people - ummm LEARN the names of the streets.

George I feel is street-wise, or the people in his close inner circle are. If some see a "red flag" and think "Hey, that is mighty suspicious ... " he will have a reason like "I wasn't continuing to follow Trayvon, (as suggested), I just happened to be going in the same direction where he was - looking for a street address..." OK.

I will NEVER EVER understand WHY HE - when watching a suspicious looking person circle his SUV 3 times ... (he said),
gets out of his truck. WHY? WAS he looking for trouble? That HERO thing? (He didn't have much to worry about, his Captain TITLE, his Dad, his gun, his truck - all loaded in his favor.) If he spent one of those afternoons that he spent roaming around the Police station (to feel important - like one of them?) at home with a street map of Retreat ... would this have happened? Surely he could memorize 3-6 streets at his age. I know what if, what if --BUT that shouldn't dismiss many "what ifs" should it? They just might possibly be valid? Maybe each point should be addressed individually? Really WHAT IF? This case seems to be an entire series of bad choices by G. Zimmerman I think. Does his Hero Agenda blind him? Is that what drives him to make dumb disasterous choices?
"The proof of the pudding is in the eating." Horrendous outcome! The WORST of any possible.

I thought the RULES of the Registered Neighborhood Watch were to ONLY See and REPORT. NOT do anything to get involved. **But they are the rules of Registered Neighborhood Watches. I guess NON Registered Neighborhood Watches are sans rules... only the rules of the Captain.** Some males don't like RULES - and think they are for everyone else, but NOT THEM. Well, look at this disasterous result for 2 families. Any ideas how this could have been avoided? Why NOT look at how it should/could have come down? IS George a prudent man OR a loose cannon?
My Way (He did it his way...)

Truly this is how I feel. So many choices this guy makes seem off center to me...
and not those of an intelligent, prudent wise man.

Remote -
Alone Together

Yes I agree that there is a lot to do.

I am not sure the Prosecution has actually provided all discovery yet? They are not suppose to keep evidence hidden and produce it in a "Ah Ha!" moment.. but who knows?
I have seen others claiming that the prosecution have not released details of TM and Dee Dee phone records, nor the FULL toxicology report for TM? If that is so.. then those items certainly need to be provided.
And beyond that... the defence need to do their own investigation and especially they need to DEPOSE State witnesses (as well as their own).. even BEFORE a SYG hearing. IMO they do need to go to a SYG hearing... but ONLY when fully prepared.. It SHOULD be the end of this farce.