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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:18 pm 
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George Zimmerman judge to rule later in unrelated stand your ground case
3:44 p.m. EST, August 3, 2012|
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel

SANFORD – The judge in the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case has put off for more than a week making a ruling in an unrelated "stand your ground" murder case, that of an Oviedo woman who says she shot her estranged husband while he was raping her.
Anita Smithey, 43, is charged with second-degree murder for killing Robert Cline III in her home on May 4, 2010.
"If someone is not safe in their own home, if someone is not safe from being raped and brutalized, 'stand your ground' does not exist in this state," defense attorney Rick Jancha said during closing argument Friday.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. is the judge in both cases. On Friday, he listened to his third day of evidence in the Smithey case, much of it sexually graphic and violent. He must decide whether she qualifies for immunity because, as the law says, she had a reasonable fear of imminent death, great bodily injury or that she was about to be the victim of a forcible felony.

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REMINDER: There is a Hearing set down in the Zimmerman case

Next Wednesday, 8th August 8:30AM EDST


From Seminole County Clerk's Office
07/10/2012 SYS AMENDED NOTICE FOR DOCKET SOUNDING AUG 08, 2012 AT 08:30 AM PRINTED

http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDo ... 2CF001083A

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Anyone have a thought about treehouse's latest expose that Shellie had an attorney, (Herring) prior to the one she has now. According to the treehouse, Herring withdrew when he looked at the evidence that O'Mara was well aware of the $$ in the fund, and wanted no part of using that as a defense of SZ. Didn't want to upset the ole boy network that exists.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:36 am 
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There is no doubt that this case was driven from the start by "political" considerations.... by the (false) racial narrative.
And beyond that... a financial motive... civil lawsuits not hard to predict.
I read the treehouse ..... but I just have a resistance to "conspiracy" theories... they may well have some validity... but?

I do hope the case itself can be extracted from all the political nonsense.... and George as well as Shellie can get out from under this mess.

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I wish there had been cameras the night of the Martin killing. We would then KNOW!! This IS a real mess aside from the political aspect. Z's statements and forensics.

Just wondering as many of us here do... If Trayvon was walking up a street and Z. parked further up - ON that same street, WAS Trayvon "checking him out" or was he just walking past him, as he HAD to do, to get home IF Z. positioned himself directly in his path? Just walking past the "positioned" SUV to get home? Would that be a "set up"? Z. was taking L.E. classes, Dad a Judge, SYG law, etc.??? He is not novice regarding the law. I think Trayvon was. he was 17 for 3 weeks.

Then did Z. say Trayvon was circling the SUV? Doesn't that sound strange?? Circling?
So - ummmm - don't get out. Right? Simple isn't it? I forgot he was looking for an address. I would think a Captain of the Neighborhood watch might know the street names, and could give a pretty good description of where this person was. BUT - - wat it WORTH escalating and dying for ... because of a GUESS that someone "looked" suspicious? Looks like a simmering volitale situation to me ...

Some things here just don't "fit" or sound right to me. Sounds like after the fact stories ... somehow. I am NOT saying my feeling are right ... they just are there and...

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Rumpole wrote:
There is no doubt that this case was driven from the start by "political" considerations.... by the (false) racial narrative.
And beyond that... a financial motive... civil lawsuits not hard to predict.
I read the treehouse ..... but I just have a resistance to "conspiracy" theories... they may well have some validity... but?

I do hope the case itself can be extracted from all the political nonsense.... and George as well as Shellie can get out from under this mess.


I believe wholeheartedly that this entire "murder" case was initiated and currently powered by politics...maybe from some pretty high places too. But I also have aversions to conspiracy theories and take what I read at places like treehouse with a box of salt.


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Joni wrote:
I wish there had been cameras the night of the Martin killing. We would then KNOW!! This IS a real mess aside from the political aspect. Z's statements and forensics.

Just wondering as many of us here do... If Trayvon was walking up a street and Z. parked further up - ON that same street, WAS Trayvon "checking him out" or was he just walking past him, as he HAD to do, to get home IF Z. positioned himself directly in his path? Just walking past the "positioned" SUV to get home? Would that be a "set up"? Z. was taking L.E. classes, Dad a Judge, SYG law, etc.??? He is not novice regarding the law. I think Trayvon was. he was 17 for 3 weeks.

Then did Z. say Trayvon was circling the SUV? Doesn't that sound strange?? Circling?
So - ummmm - don't get out. Right? Simple isn't it? I forgot he was looking for an address. I would think a Captain of the Neighborhood watch might know the street names, and could give a pretty good description of where this person was. BUT - - wat it WORTH escalating and dying for ... because of a GUESS that someone "looked" suspicious? Looks like a simmering volitale situation to me ...

Some things here just don't "fit" or sound right to me. Sounds like after the fact stories ... somehow. I am NOT saying my feeling are right ... they just are there and...

I Wonder, I Wonder :DN4 (Can't help it if I wonder...)

:47 :34 :47 Have mercy here.


I don't need a camera to tell me what happened on that tragic night that has adversely affected two families, one of which has been effectively destroyed. All I need is commom sense along with George's statements that correlate with the known evidence that has been released so far. Aside from the political aspect, it is not a real mess. Add the "political pressure" and it becomes a HUGE mess!!

I agree with you that George was not a novice regarding the law. He had been taking criminal justice courses and had aspirations to become a magistrate like his dad had been before retirement. But the thing that really strikes me about George and the law is that he is and was an upstanding, responsible, law-abiding constructive member of society. And he went above and beyond that of most of his peers by volunteering to help his neighborhood in the crime watch program when his neighborhood really needed it.

I disagree with you where you state that you think that Trayvon was a novice when it came to the law. From evidence I have seen on twitter pages, myspace, videos, etc., Trayvon was beyond his 17 years with street-wise education...which, of course, includes tips on how to skirt the law.

Anyone who thinks it strange that a neighborhood watch captain does not recall certain street names in his neighborhood obviously knows nothing of human memory...and it's foibles.

It was not George's fault that Trayvon looked "suspicious." It is the duty of a neighborhood watch volunteer to notice suspicious people and things, and it is their duty to report their suspicions. It would not have escalated into a volatile situation had Trayvon not circled back and ambushed the guy who had been watching him.

So far, all the evidence or "story" sounds quite plausible to me. I don't see anything that doesn't fit. It was all cut and dried before politics entered inot it. JMO, of course.

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Yikes...I posted a lengthy reply and I have no idea where it went...maybe in a pm..I'm still learning the ropes around here.

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taurus wrote:
Yikes...I posted a lengthy reply and I have no idea where it went...maybe in a pm..I'm still learning the ropes around here.

sorry


Awww, heck, I was looking forward to reading it too!!

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Yikes...I posted a lengthy reply and I have no idea where it went...maybe in a pm..I'm still learning the ropes around here.

sorry


There are a few differences from vBulletin.... let me know if I can help.

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There doesn't seem to be many streets within the complex Retreat at Twin Lakes. I thought George being the Captain of the Neighborhood Watch might know their names because he lives there too. Been wrong before eh?

Are there more streets in the complex than this map - facing North?


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Joni wrote:
http://randomtopics.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=236

There doesn't seem to be many streets within the complex Retreat at Twin Lakes. I thought George being the Captain of the Neighborhood Watch might know their names because he lives there too. Been wrong before eh?

Are there more streets in the complex than this map - facing North?


It doesn't have to have many streets, even just one. That doesn't mean that the name of the street doesn't escape your mind just when you might need it the most. I have forgotten very important names, names that are important to me, sometimes only for minutes, but that is human nature to suddenly lose the memory of something very familiar. Usually the name of it will come back to you when you're no longer trying to recall it. Things just drop out of our memories from time to time, and as we get older it does get worse. George being relatively young (well, younger than me) doesn't mean that familiar names cannot suddenly drop out of his mind as well. It does happen to young folks too....just not as often as it does to us older ones.


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With media printing articles like this its impossible for GZ to get a fair trial.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/04/2 ... rylink=cpy


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taurus wrote:
Yikes...I posted a lengthy reply and I have no idea where it went...maybe in a pm..I'm still learning the ropes around here.

sorry



Oh so sorry, Taurus, that happens to me a lot. I found out I was not paying attention to the message at the top of the posting box, and it that would say something to the effect that someone else has posted since I started my reply or I can't post with more than one quote in my reply and it would not go through at that point. So I was clicking off too fast and not seeing the message, and then coming back and wondering where my post went. Not sure if that is what's happening to you but thought I'd mention it.


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taurus wrote:
With media printing articles like this its impossible for GZ to get a fair trial.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/04/2 ... rylink=cpy



I agree although they do discuss some of the other possibilities it comes later and a lot of people may not read all those pages.
The sunshine law making almost all of the evidence etc. available doesn't help does it.

Thanks for the link and the two links within the article are interesting also.


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taurus wrote:
With media printing articles like this its impossible for GZ to get a fair trial.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/04/2 ... rylink=cpy


Thanks for the link.

I just had a quick read. At least it covers the sites who are pro as well as anti GZ :24

It is a fact that in Florida especially, the Sunshine Law makes so much available. Perhaps too much? Though in my experience it is better to have that than a total block on all information (sub judice rules).. as we have in NZ

What I find disturbing is that a lot the people who post at these places don't seem to have a clue when it comes to evaluating evidence.... looking at "what is" rather than "what if".... I do worry that if they are representative of the jury pool there is not much point expecting a reasoned evaluation of anything :24

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R... I agree. I don't think the Sunshine law is good. Too much "trying" of cases in the media and by the public. :95
A total block would be good I think. But I think people just can't help but wonder after hearing/reading so much.
Inquiring minds want to know.
That's Life :DN4

I remember something about The Dead Man's Rule and am going to look it up. Not sure it means THEY can't tell their side, if the other one can't too - because they are dead? JUST HARD COLD EVIDENCE - FORENSICS??

I remember something about it in my mother's case. Racing drivers on their "Self designated street drag strips" (all over the U.S.) killed 2 people - my Mom and her friend and many others too. :97 I found out decades later watching a program about it on A & E. I had NO idea drag street racing was so prevelent in the U.S. now did I know where she was killed, was a "self designated Drag Strip." He had 12 brothers who were cops and detectives. 'Nuf said.

Will try to see what that Dead Man's Rule is - in our law.


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http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/dead-mans-statute/

I am rushing now. Here is one... I have to read it carefully to see WHY this was brought up in my Mother's case.
Anyhow, just wondering about it ... :27 TTYL


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Rumpole wrote:

Thanks for the link.

I just had a quick read. At least it covers the sites who are pro as well as anti GZ :24

It is a fact that in Florida especially, the Sunshine Law makes so much available. Perhaps too much? Though in my experience it is better to have that than a total block on all information (sub judice rules).. as we have in NZ

What I find disturbing is that a lot the people who post at these places don't seem to have a clue when it comes to evaluating evidence.... looking at "what is" rather than "what if".... I do worry that if they are representative of the jury pool there is not much point expecting a reasoned evaluation of anything :24


I, personally, approve of the Florida Sunshine Laws. For years I was very familiar with many of the incidents reported on by our various types of media and know that their resulting stories in most cases do not even remotely resemble the actual incidents. This is why I take everything I read or hear about from any media source with a box of salt (boxcar, that is). If the public's only source for information relative any serious incident is the media, then the public will be immensely misinformed. Therefore, I refuse to base any opinion upon media reports. If there was no Sunshine Law, then the public is kept too much in the dark. And when that happens, people in authority and with political power tend to abuse the situation.


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Well, well, looks like Travelers Ins. is suing the Retreat and Sybrina Fulton.

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/florid ... 85/274256/


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