Jeff Weiner@JeffWeinerOS
#GeorgeZimmerman's wife, Shellie, has also filed a written plea of "not guilty" to her perjury charge. #TrayvonMartin

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I put no stock at all in anything Dee Dee says (or what Crump told her to say either).

Yay!!!!!!!! And woo hoo!!!!

IMO Shellie was "set up" in a "perjury trap"
Everybody knew of the PP account, if not the actual amount. BDLR's questioning avoided asking the correct questions to actually get at the facts of the matter. Shellie was with out doubt evasive...but strictly speaking I don't think she actually lied.
Besides... since when did Judges direct prosecution to actually pursue perjury charges... against witnesses.. in a simple Bond hearing ... especially in Florida?

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Shellie Zimmerman's plea: I'm not guilty
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

Shellie Zimmerman says she's not guilty of perjury.

Her new attorney, Kelly B. Sims, today filed paperwork, entering that plea on her behalf. That means that she won't have to show up at the Seminole County criminal building Tuesday for arraignment.

Zimmerman, 25, is accused of lying when she told Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr., while under oath, that she and her husband were broke.
At the time, prosecutors allege they had ready access to $130,000, money donated by supporters of her husband, murder defendant George Zimmerman.
Friday was the first time Sims was identified as Shellie Zimmerman's lawyer. The Orlando attorney has been practicing in Florida for more than 20 years and has worked on high-profile cases in the past.

....more at link
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... -zimmerman

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Sadly, I don't think Shellie stands a chance. I do hope they will only fine her (and that is really where it will most hurt the Zimmermans). I truly have a problem with people being railroaded like this - like RUmpole said - especially in the State of Florida where there is rarely pursuit of perjury charges. Florida just doesn't have the money. Guess Judge Lester didn't get the memo.

NO fire from me!

You've posted some of my concerns, especially about DeeDee and you're right - what to believe? Cherry pick? I do think her FIRST account was accurate, as it even favored GZ in that she recalled that TM was the first to confront with the question. Then came the "Crumped-up" (h/t flareon) statement where she's hearing all sort of things she never mentioned before - just like several of the now-useless witnesses. Suspicious. And we know GZ is not exactly Mr. Truthful.

Oh how I agree with you about GZ not identifying himself right off the bat as "Neighborhood Watch!" Huge mistake. What a foolish guy he is.

Remote ... I think we two stand alone here. Actually I think we just wonder a lot - about things.
I have seen other places ... people HAVE TAKEN SIDES - and for sure and dug their heels in. People who disagree have been BANNED!
THEN - they will explain everything away - always in favor of their side.

Now, I truly am trying HARD to look at both sides, but I sure find myself wondering a lot. Maybe Z. just isn't the brightest bulb in the pack? Could that be the bottom line here?
His former record scares me. Drinking... aggressive?
Gotta watch those little guys. Many of them seem to always have to PROVE - something.

I Know A Little Bit About A Lot Of Things (but I don't know enough about you).
Musician that I am ...
Duck Joni!

Many have become so emotionally invested in this that it's scary. This is the first case that I am not with the "majority opinion" and it's tough. I find myself really disliking GZ, he really rubs me the wrong way, but my sense of "fair play" has been monumentally offended given all that has happened from the beginning.

I very much agree about GZ not being very bright. The problem is he thinks he IS and this deluded thinking of his has led him to disaster in this case.

Funny you mention the "short man syndrome" - you don't know how often I've advised my girls to look for TALL guys!

Somehow I always look at statements from the one who did the killing ... with a grain of salt. Nancy Grace says she takes things with a BOX of salt.

I can't help it. I know they are fighting for their life and have this HUGE AGENDA going on, and will say just about anything to save themselves. AND their family will too. Probably quite normal to do.

I DO have faith in forensics, and USED TO with eye witnesses too, who usually have no agenda. In this case, they are changing their stories. What is going on? WHY? Now I think I take them with a grain of salt too. Never heard of eye witnesses CHANGING their story. Good grief!! If I were a Juror, I would listen to everything, but probably give 95% weight to the forensics.
FORENSICS - DON'T - LIE! That's why I believe there should be a trial.

Tried to ignore outside pressures and just concentrate on the killing. That only distracts from the facts I think. Muddy the waters ...

When this started I read everything - but recently I am not so entrenched in this case. After the Casey Anthony RESULT, I SWORE to myself that I never would get so involved in a case, EVER AGAIN, but found it happening. My musical discipline is kicking in and I was able to pull back on this one. When the obvious lying starts ... I think I lose interest. All seems so hopeless to me. THANK GOD for forensics!!

Probably won't write much as I am not up on things 100%. Why am I throwing down here? Maybe because I care about "us" and I am honest.

Lost In A Blizzard Of Lies
Dave Frishberg composer/lyricist wrote what he calls "Musical Cartoons". Above is one.

I have moved some posts to the welcome/Introduction thread

http://randomtopics.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=63&p=11647#p11647

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I first became interested in true crime and trials when I first learned to read and I read the tall stack of my daddy's magazines of True Crime and True Detective. Since I hold a high value for law and order and personal responsibility, the following decades had me always rooting for the side of the prosecution. This Zimmerman case is the first time I've switched sides.

When this case first hit the widespread news outlets I was on the fence. I learned way back in the 60's that anything coming from the media usually cannot even be recognized as the same incident upon which they are purportedly reporting. Therefore, I refused to form an opinion until some actual evidence is released by Florida's Sunshine Laws. But even while still on the fence as to the actual incident, I was one of the first to criticize the media's rush to judgment against Zimmerman.

After looking at the evidence that has been released so far, I am solidly on the side of Zimmerman and very strongly against the prosecution. The prosecution and the Court (Judge Lester) have acted in a manner that is an embarrassment to me, one who normally holds the prosecution side in high regard. I'm fully aware that there is a possibility that evidence might later be released that would cause me to switch sides. If it does, so be it. But so far, I haven't seen it.

If sanity prevails in this case.. then GZ will win a SYG hearing.. or better still there will be a motion to dismiss ... there is no evidence of second degree murder, and I can not imagine what evidence there could be now that we have seen how little the prosecution has.

Spare a thought for the "lynch mob" though.....they may be in for some bad times.
GZ may walk free
Drew Peterson may be found not guilty
Scott Peterson may win his appeal

I guess the last straw would be Joran Van der Sloot scoring a pardon and repatriation back to Holland?

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Did I hear someone say up thread that Nancy Grace takes things with a box of salt. I may not understand that right but I'd say she's foolin' herself. Is she doing this case on her show? I may try to catch it then so I can raise my blood pressure with her every word.

I've also said from the beginning that this is not a slam dunk and actually I thought TM may have got pist and did jump GZ, although I know that it's possible GZ could have jumped him and I doubt that can be proven either way.

Obviously, in this world, sanity very seldom prevails.

I certainly take Nancy Grace with a box of salt (that's a boxcar of salt), as well as any other media outlet. I learned from many years of working in LE that any story reported by the media never even resembles the actual event. I base my opinions of any case on the actual evidence released to the media.

Don't get me started on NG

It was a daily battle to correct misinformation she put out during the Anthony case.

Then again.........It might actual be fun to watch her "dance" around the rumours in this case.

Bombshell! GZ's 3 accomplishes and a Cockatoo have been added to the prosecution witness list

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That's really humorous!! (Especially the Cockatoo)

From what we know now, I think it should be dismissed in a SYG hearing.

But you are right about the overly involved people. They implode with little things. They will go absolutely crazy if the case is dismissed. LOL

I know. It is like everything else in this case. The over the top reactions have been comical. LOL