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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:38 pm 
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Witness done... Commonwealth rests

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I wonder...

Has he been charged with attempted rape while in custody.... as in once he is found guilty here.. will he face another trial?

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Jury excused until FRIDAY at 9:00am

Meanwhile lawyers and Judge will sort out Jury instructions tomorrow.

I guess closing arguments Friday.. then deliberation... and GUILTY verdict soon after.

Lowy says jury should be deliberating by lunch on Friday. After over two years since murder, a verdict is on the horizon #PhilipChism

Just as well sentence him to LWOP on Friday as well... but I guess they will drag that out :doh

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Philip Chism Trial Day 13 Part 1 12/09/15





Philip Chism Trial Day 13 Part 2 12/09/15





Philip Chism Trial Day 13 Part 3 12/09/15


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LMAO at the meme. :lol

Rumpole wrote:
I wonder...

Has he been charged with attempted rape while in custody.... as in once he is found guilty here.. will he face another trial?

Rumpole, no rape charge only attempted murder charges. :eek

Philip Chism, charged with killing teacher, faces separate attempted murder charge
By Rande Iaboni | CNN | Updated July 24, 2014


Philip Chism, a 15-year-old Massachusetts boy accused of raping and killing his math teacher in a high school bathroom, was arraigned Wednesday on attempted murder charges stemming from a separate attack on a female youth services clinician.

Prosecutors laid out a narrative of what they said was "the defendant's intent to murder" a female employee last month at the Dorchester Department of Youth Services facility where Chism is being held pending trial, the Suffolk County District Attorney's Office said.

[several short, interesting videos]

More: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/23/justice/massachusetts-philip-chism/


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THX Molly... I missed that....

So another trial to watch?

Be good to see how he looks after some time in the slammer.. after he has dropped the "I'm a psycho let me go" act :cool

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Live streams - when they bother

http://www.wcvb.com/news/newscenter-5-breaking-news/26098608

http://www.wildabouttrial.com/one_off/live-stream-3/

http://www.courtchatter.com/#!philip-chism-trial-live-stream-3/cfxa

http://worldjusticenews.com/philip-chism-live-stream.htm

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In Salem this morning. No jury as #PhilipChism attorneys and judge discuss jury instructions http://bit.ly/1Qh5dzo

#PhilipChism just came into the courtroom. Yesterday, he waived his appearance, so this is surprising. Must've changed his mind.

Julie Manganis@SNJulieManganis
Besides charge conference lawyers will argue on required findings and on issue of brain scans. #PhilipChism

Regan still wants jury to see #PhilipChism brain scans showing smaller volume in areas of his brain.

Judge Lowy: "The problem with Dr. Gur is I don't believe him." #PhilipChism

Regan: the information is relevant because it explains the prosecution's experts findings on #PhilipChism tests.

DA opposes the use of scans, says defense will misuse it to claim #PhilipChism schizophrenic.

DA also says prejudice will outweigh the probative (helpfulness to jurors) value if scans admitted. #PhilipChism

DA also says the defense experts were only disclosed on 11/18, (3 days into #PhilipChism trial.)

DA: some of the same differences in #PhilipChism brain, defense calls schizophrenia, also indicate simple antisocial personality disorder.

Judge Lowy: "This issue is an issue I would have like to have had a two day hearing on and really dug into it." #PhilipChism

DA says the consensus is that scans not used in diagnosis of schizophrenia. Says defense wants to find new way to get scans in. #PhilipChism

DA calls it "fundamentally unfair" to prosecution to force them to prepare for another hearing on scans on eve of closings. #PhilipChism


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Defense will now argue a motion on required findings of not guilty at the close of evidence. #PhilipChism

    First issue: count of unnatural rape (stick in woods).

Osler, defense atty, argues again that Colleen Ritzer wasn't alive when violated in the woods. #PhilipChism

Judge Lowy denies the defense motion to find #PhilipChism not guilty on the sexual assault in woods. Jury will decide.

Another issue is whether jury could find that #PhilipChism guilty of larceny instead of armed robbery.

#PhilipChism is again waiving his appearance in court this afternoon during discussion of jury instructions. (Lowy discusses with Chism and is allowing him to be absent.)

Osler wants the jury to be told you can't sexually assault a dead body. Judge says he's concerned about confusing jury. #PhilipChism

The brain scan issue could delay the closing arguments. #PhilipChism

allison manning@allymanning
We are in a break. Judge will get attorneys proposed jury instructions. They will also file affidavits re: brain scans.

We'll be reconvening at some point, but not entirely clear when. #PhilipChism


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    So far, there is no live stream in the courtroom today.

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Closings scheduled for tomorrow; but incredibly, Lowy now needs to consider flying Satterthwaite in to testify on brain scans.#PhilipChism

The trial teams have been sent to their corners while Lowy works this unforeseen predicament out.#PhilipChism.

The attorneys need to be prepared to close tomorrow, but Lowy tells them he just can't think about that now.#PhilipChism

Judge Lowy knows how he handles brain scans could be a point of appeal. The judge will be judged harshly if he doesn't give #PhilipChism a chance.



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Molly wrote:
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Judge Lowy: "The problem with Dr. Gur is I don't believe him." #PhilipChism

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Cathy Retweeted Julie Manganis

This might be my favorite quote from a judge....ever. #PhilipChism


Judge Lowy: "The problem with Dr. Gur is I don't believe him."

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It is farcical that Frump continues to be allowed to bang on about these MRI brain scans!!!!

Even if these shonky defense experts are telling the truth ( as they believe it)....University "studies" may ( or may not) show a correlation with shrinkage in some brain areas with schizophrenia. The fact is PROPER psychological testing as well as CLEAR observed behavior of Chism.. show that he is not psychotic!! End of story.

Rather than their "theory" proving Chism to be psychotic ( maybe).....

This trial is PROOF that the hypothesis proposed by Ruben Gur and Ted Satterthwaiteare in fact WRONG!!!

It wont be the first time that academic hypotheses have been shown to be WRONG :cool

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Chism defense wants brain MRIs considered
By Julie Manganis Staff writer | Updated 2 hours ago

DANVERS — In another unexpected move by the defense that could delay the conclusion of the Philip Chism trial, his attorneys this morning tried again to convince a judge to allow jurors to see MRIs of his brain.

The development came during a hearing where the judge and lawyers in the case were scheduled to discuss jury instructions that will be read following closing arguments, which are scheduled — at least for now — tomorrow morning.

Chism, 16, is charged with raping, robbing and killing his Danvers High School math teacher, Colleen Ritzer, 24, of Andover, in October 2013.

Twelve of the 17 jurors who have been hearing evidence in the case since last month had been expected to start deliberations tomorrow afternoon.

But as the hearing got underway in Salem Superior Court, the defense team again raised the issue of whether jurors can see those scans.

Defense lawyer Denise Regan argued that they're relevant because they may explain Chism's performance on tests that indicated he was malingering.

She and her proposed expert witnesses, Ruben Gur and Ted Satterthwaite, who are neuropsychologists at the University of Pennsylvania, contend that some areas of Chism's brain are smaller than average, and that some studies suggest that reduced brain size in those areas correlates with schizophrenia.

But prosecutors argue that it's not an accepted scientific conclusion.

Judge David Lowy had already ruled that Gur was not a credible witness, following a hearing outside the jury's presence last week. The judge said he believes Gur is more of an advocate for his proposed theory on brain size than an expert.

"The problem with Dr. Gur is I don't believe him," said Lowy. "I just don't believe him."

But he left open the question of whether Satterthwaite might still be called -- an issue that he will take up again later this morning or this afternoon.

...more at link
http://m.salemnews.com/news/chism-defen ... l?mode=jqm

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As we say in the Psych Trade: "The proof of the pudding is in the eating" :cool

University psych departments around the globe are FILLED with bright-eyed, bushy-tailed young psych students .. on a mission to prove something they dreamt up.. or simply to write something to gain a phd. or an article for a Journal :roll The fact of the matter is they are often WRONG in their basic hypothesis.. and even WRONG in the logic (and statistical analysis of experiment results), that they employ to "prove" their "theories"

These mythical key areas of brain shrinkage.. may ( or may not) be useful indication as to who to test for various psychoses... but that is all.. they are one of a million things that might indicate WHO to give the tests to. But the ultimate diagnosis is down to psychiatric (and psychological) interviews and test etc. The brain scans in themselves are at best an indicator, not a diagnostic result in themselves.
Chism was evaluated by proper psychologists.. given proper tests.. and declared NOT psychotic.. now and as far as can be determined.. certainly NOT at time of the crime.
Besides.. even an untrained observer can SEE PLAINLY.. that Chism was NOT acting out under a psychotic burst.. he was calm and purposeful.. and it seems trying to avoid detection while doing what he KNEW to be illegal, let alone vile and evil.

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now FFS... Frump (Regan) is claiming to be ill :wall

She doesn't know if she can be here tomorrow for closings. #PhilipChism


I TOLD YA... she's a malingerer :roll

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Defense wants juvenile specific language in jury instruction. #fox25 #PhilipChism :doh


IMO....... Ya do the "adult" crime... and you get to be tried as an "adult".... tough luck buster!!!

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Judge Lowy wouldn't previously allow into trial. But defense contends prosecution opened the door to it in rebuttal. #fox25 #PhilipChism


As far as Frump trying this Brain scan scam again... she claims that the prosecution rebuttal "opened the door" ... eh? The ONLY person to mention brain scans was her.. badgering the witness and asking if he asked for brain scans.... WHY WOULD HE? That is NOT what psychologists/psychiatrists do... in this application that would be akin to Voodoo

On the wider issue of answering the claim of "malingering"... I think this evidence is most likely to reveal that these shonky witnesses are themselves "malingering"... they are certainly EXAGGERATING the MRI scan blips.

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Judge Lowy is taking a ten minute recess. Hope to have some rulings soon. #fox25 #PhilipChism

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Judge DENIES new motion to admit brain scans, via UPenn doctor. #PhilipChism

Judge: No evidence in science that if someone has reduced brain volume that they're more likely to be malingering #PhilipChism





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