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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:00 pm 
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Under other circumstances I'd agree with you. But not now, not this case. Too many know the truth.

Liesel, on this point, I have to disagree (but once again, I hope I'm wrong). Yes, many do know the truth. But have you been listening to all the comments from so-called "leaders" and celebrities lately? MLK III, Colin Powell, Oprah, Traymom, as well as many others are speaking out loud and in public as though there never was a trial. They ignore the whole trial and its outcome. Just like that mural whose artist said it was the "view of Americans" when called out about its untruthfulness. I truly believe all these people DO know the truth, but they prefer to ignore the truth. I don't think Holder ignoring the truth would be any more shocking to me than what I've already seen. And I think an awful lot of citizens may go along with him. Especially if the MSM hop on that bandwagon too.


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Seeing-eye,
But will it ever be brought to light? I have serious doubts at this point. I mean, the time for doing something was a while back. RZjr shouldn't have to be the only one telling it like it is. If they had intentions of bringing any of it into the light, why not do it when the hounds were at the gate?? I wish I had your optimism. I did at one time, but most of it is gone now. Maybe Beasly will do something, idk.

I agree. There should have been major agressive push back from the defense from the very beginning.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:40 pm 
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I understand what you're saying, seeing_eye. Look at it this way, though: Even with the BGI and the media in full-on-narrative mode virtually 24/7, GZ was acquitted. What has been the biggest turnout that the Trayparents™ have helped to bring out lately? Maybe, just maybe ten thousand? Twenty, thirty thousand, tops? And that was MLK day. And that was with celebrities, etc. On their own, how many people can the scheme team get to show up? I mean for free, without being paid, or required by their job to go?

Ok, let's say that for every single person that has shown up, let's say there are roughly 10 more at home supporting "the J4TM™ cause." 30k x 10 = 300k people. That's a fraction of a % of the U.S. population.

And GZ was acquitted of the criminal charges in Florida. That's going to be a big black mark against a further prosecution in the minds of those who've never heard of the case and don't want to.

There's a reason you're not hearing anything about a federal charge. I suspect Trayparents™ have already been informed - in fact, didn't we already hear/read that they were told a prosecution is very unlikely? I think Holder has done all he can to assuage the hurt feelings of the Trayborg™. And he didn't get to where he is by being a complete idiot, he knows it.

The BGI has taken a big hit on this case, imo. The fact that they're attacking SYG to try to salvage some sort of a win to try to repair their image, such as it is, is a great sign of their defeat, over this case. Did you read the blog on Holder linked above? That "conversation" isn't going anything like Holder and the rest of the BGI had expected. How much more of a hit do you think they're all willing to take over this case? At some point, some DOJ or administration official (maybe Holder or President Obama) will have a quiet word with those who are still trying to salvage an image of being powerful despite the hit they just took, and they'll sit down and shut up. I expect this to happen before 2014 election season kicks in. They may bet on big minority turnout based on this "injustice" but I think it would risk an even bigger turnout about the real injustice, kwim?

I could be wrong, of course. But I hope you are. :D

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:12 pm 
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liesel wrote:
I understand what you're saying, seeing_eye. Look at it this way, though: Even with the BGI and the media in full-on-narrative mode virtually 24/7, GZ was acquitted. What has been the biggest turnout that the Trayparents™ have helped to bring out lately? Maybe, just maybe ten thousand? Twenty, thirty thousand, tops? And that was MLK day. And that was with celebrities, etc. On their own, how many people can the scheme team get to show up? I mean for free, without being paid, or required by their job to go?

Ok, let's say that for every single person that has shown up, let's say there are roughly 10 more at home supporting "the J4TM™ cause." 30k x 10 = 300k people. That's a fraction of a % of the U.S. population.

And GZ was acquitted of the criminal charges in Florida. That's going to be a big black mark against a further prosecution in the minds of those who've never heard of the case and don't want to.

There's a reason you're not hearing anything about a federal charge. I suspect Trayparents™ have already been informed - in fact, didn't we already hear/read that they were told a prosecution is very unlikely? I think Holder has done all he can to assuage the hurt feelings of the Trayborg™. And he didn't get to where he is by being a complete idiot, he knows it.

The BGI has taken a big hit on this case, imo. The fact that they're attacking SYG to try to salvage some sort of a win to try to repair their image, such as it is, is a great sign of their defeat, over this case. Did you read the blog on Holder linked above? That "conversation" isn't going anything like Holder and the rest of the BGI had expected. How much more of a hit do you think they're all willing to take over this case? At some point, some DOJ or administration official (maybe Holder or President Obama) will have a quiet word with those who are still trying to salvage an image of being powerful despite the hit they just took, and they'll sit down and shut up. I expect this to happen before 2014 election season kicks in. They may bet on big minority turnout based on this "injustice" but I think it would risk an even bigger turnout about the real injustice, kwim?

I could be wrong, of course. But I hope you are. :D

I hope I'm wrong too. In the meantime, the agitation of the Trayborgs are irritating my stomach lining!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:56 pm 
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Oh, seeing_eye... I'm sure they don't have that much power over you. Are you sure it wasn't the fish? ;) Visit the daft thread and have a good laugh at them. Goodness knows, no one laughs with such sour, bitter pills! :)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:37 pm 
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The 50th Anniversary March belittled MLK's accomplishments.

Now the movement is more like the entitlement recipients gay rights protest against SYG than
an effort towards equality.


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Omara Asks the state to pay 200 to 300k of GZ.'s legal expenses.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... 0164.story


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liesel wrote:
Oh, seeing_eye... I'm sure they don't have that much power over you. Are you sure it wasn't the fish? ;) Visit the daft thread and have a good laugh at them. Goodness knows, no one laughs with such sour, bitter pills! :)

You're right. The daft thread is actually stomach soothing .... almost as good as Alka Seltzers!


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It's weird. Parks states he doesn't think the president should remark about the Oklahoma shooting of the baseball player until the investigation is finished and the facts are known. Obviously, that same train of thought didn't apply to the Zimmerman/Martin shooting.


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Omara Asks the state to pay 200 to 300k of GZ.'s legal expenses.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... 0164.story


I'm certain O'Mara knows a lot more about Florida law than I do, but I don't interpret that statute in question as granting payment for defense expenses. It says:

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939.06 Acquitted defendant not liable for costs.—
(1) A defendant in a criminal prosecution who is acquitted or discharged is not liable for any costs or fees of the court or any ministerial office, or for any charge of subsistence while detained in custody. If the defendant has paid any taxable costs, or fees required under s. 27.52(1)(b), in the case, the clerk or judge shall give him or her a certificate of the payment of such costs, with the items thereof, which, when audited and approved according to law, shall be refunded to the defendant.
(2) To receive a refund under this section, a defendant must submit a request for the refund to the Justice Administrative Commission on a form and in a manner prescribed by the commission. The defendant must attach to the form an order from the court demonstrating the defendant’s right to the refund and the amount of the refund.


That seems to me to say an acquitted defendant will be compensated for court fees, for expenses charged for holding the defendant in custody, and for prosecution expenses billed to the defendant. Leyritz v. State, 93 So. 3d 1156 (Fla. 4th DCA 2012) discusses the statute in relation to prosecution expenses charged to the defendant under chapter 938.


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27.52(1)(b), in the case, the clerk or judge shall give him or her a certificate of the payment of such costs, with the items thereof, which, when audited and approved according to law, shall be refunded to the defendant.


I am not an accountant but I think that subset holds the answer. It is virtually is the same thing Rene is reporting. And what MOM is compiling for submission. I hope it works though I expect that it will be refused, at least in part, by the courts. Any part of a remunerations would be a line in the win column.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:55 pm 
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MJW wrote:
That seems to me to say an acquitted defendant will be compensated for court fees, for expenses charged for holding the defendant in custody, and for prosecution expenses billed to the defendant. Leyritz v. State, 93 So. 3d 1156 (Fla. 4th DCA 2012) discusses the statute in relation to prosecution expenses charged to the defendant under chapter 938.


With little more Google Scholar research, I discovered Wolf v. County of Volusia, 703 So. 2d 1033 (Fla. 1997), which seems to still be the law in Florida.

The Florida supreme court considered the lower court decision:

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Wolf was arrested, charged with committing sexual battery on a child under twelve years old, and acquitted following a six-day trial. He subsequently filed a complaint seeking $16,280.43 in costs from Volusia County to cover the following expenses: "expert witness and service fees, court reporter and transcription expenses, video-taped deposition expenses, process service expenses by private process servers, copy and duplicate expenses, Clerk of Court expenses, process service by the Sheriff expenses, and witness fees pursuant to § 914.09." The court awarded Wolf the full amount, but the district court reversed, limiting the award to $924.50 for "witness fees, sheriff expenses, and clerk of the court expenses."


The court concluded:

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[T]he district court properly limited Wolf's reimbursement to "witness fees, sheriff expenses, and clerk of the court expenses."


I think my interpretation seems more in line with that case than the interpretation attributed to O'Mara by the Orlando Sentinel article.


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Oh The Audacity ! George Zimmerman Requests Reimbursement For Defense Expenses…. Orlando Sentinel Says His Acquittal Should Be Enough…
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Well, that tweet pissed me off.


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Go Tweet her back then Deb... and report back here :)

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:28 :28 :28 lurking about, catching up on many threads! Hoping all are doing Great!
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Hi Mimi.... lurk away... post when you can :86

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Hi, arkansasmimi! So nice to cyber-see you. I hope all is well now? :28

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