maggiemoowho says:
April 30, 2015 at 8:46 am

The MSM had to have misread SEVERE as SEVERED, because the first reports said he suffered a severe spinal cord injury, not severed. That one word makes a huge difference and can add fuel to the rioters fire. Severe is opinion, severed is fact. (I can have a severe pain, but someone else might call it a cramp.) Fox news need to correct themselves, we know CNN and MSNBC won’t. Where did the Severed Spinal Cord info come from?

So for some reason all of the people who are trying to find some way to blame the police and saying the other prisoner must be lying or it is not accurate, are not very comfortable when I keep trying to place the blame on the van driver. Can't figure out why that makes them uncomfortable, I mean they want someone to blame, we know that Freddie stood on the bumper then lowered his head getting in the van, so we know that he was not injured at that point, so it must have happened in the van. If he didn't do it to himself, it MUST be the van driver that is responsible and he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

maggiemoowho says:
April 30, 2015 at 8:46 am

The MSM had to have misread SEVERE as SEVERED, because the first reports said he suffered a severe spinal cord injury, not severed. That one word makes a huge difference and can add fuel to the rioters fire. Severe is opinion, severed is fact. (I can have a severe pain, but someone else might call it a cramp.) Fox news need to correct themselves, we know CNN and MSNBC won’t. Where did the Severed Spinal Cord info come from?

sundance says:
April 30, 2015 at 4:06 pm

“Severed” came from Gray’s stepfather Richard Shipley and also the family attorney William “Billy” Murphy.

Murphy: What we know is that while in police custody for committing no crime — for which they had no justification for making the arrest except he was a black man running — his spine was virtually severed, 80 percent severed, in the neck area,” Murphy said. He called Gray’s injuries “catastrophic.”

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... tml#page=1

Nation says:
April 30, 2015 at 4:39 pm

Here are the charging docs for Freddie Gray:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... story.html

Let’s assume that the arresting officer’s version is true and see if he followed proper procedure.

Freddie Gray ran unprovoked when he saw police, and the police chased him. Police can detain you if you run unprovoked from them, because only criminals run from police. So the arresting officers lawfully pursued Gray after he fled.

Freddie Gray was apprehended after a brief foot chase. Again, the officers could lawfully detain Gray at this point. The officers were within their rights to investigate why Gray ran unprovoked from them.

While Gray was detained, officers noticed a switchblade knife in plain view on Gray’s front right pocket. Switchblades are illegal in Baltimore. Because officers saw contraband on Gray, they had probable cause to arrest him.

If we assume the officers are telling the truth, they lawfully detained and arrested Freddie Gray. Unless the officers were lying, I don’t see how Freddie Family lawyer Murphy or anyone else can say that the initial arrest was illegal.

PS Anyone think Geraldo might get his ass kicked? Really Geraldo you are not invincible and you are not liked by the vast majority of folks there.

It's most likely coming, but I sure was hoping he'd deck Z last night!

diwataman2014 says:
April 30, 2015 at 6:14 pm

There’s way too much reasonable doubt already present to charge anyone with anything beyond maybe some negligence thing or something, I doubt anything further than what’s apparently obvious will come out of the investigation. They’ll probably fire the driver and payout some bucks and that will be that.

I’ve only recently been looking deeper into the details which are always obscured with black grievance propaganda. It’s obvious he got hurt in the van but how hurt? And sure, he could have been hurt during the apprehension but how do we know the care given to him on scene at the police station, during the transport to the hospital, at the hospital or at surgery didn’t mess him up more than he was otherwise, contributing or even causing his death?

Here’s the timeline I’ve been piecing together;

April 12
1600 Block North Ave, Mount St & North Ave, Freddie Gray runs
1700 Block of Prestbury Gray apprehended
8:39:52 I got him
8:40:12 We’ve got one, 1700 Press st
8:42:52 Police van requested
8:46:02 Driver reports Gray as irate
8:46:12 First stop, Mount & Baker leg irons applied
8:54:02 Van clears stop going South towards central booking
Second Stop, (The unkown stop) N. Fremont Ave. and Mosher St
8:59:52 Druid Hill & Dolphin, Driver asks for additional unit to check on Gray
x:xx:xx 4th stop, North av & Pennsylvania av, Second person put in van
9:24:32 Medic called to Western District police station
9:33:xx Medic arrives
9:54:xx Medic departs
10:00:xx Medic arrives at Shock Trauma hospital
April 14 Reported neck surgery
April 19 died

And yes it appears the mystery stop was discovered through investigation and apparently not reported by the driver, still doubt that will amount to anything.