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The order of the shots, where Reeva was in the toilet, whether she screamed or not, where the magazine rack was in the toilet, is all superfluous and totally irrelevant to the overriding bottom line--did Oscar know it was her.

Nel saying Oscar followed the sound of her falling on the magazine rack and then aiming at where she fell is fall-down-on-the-floor humorous. Not only was the gun fired with one hand making the recoil of the gun a virtual impossibility to group the shots in a tight pattern, we have the undisputed fact of Oscar being on his stumps and unsteady even when the shots commenced.

The Burgers don't even corroborate each other, Van Der Merwe is all but discredited totally by the sound tests and her own husband (let alone the Burgers and the Stipps being at a distance that is even farther), the argument is patently unproven by anything, even less proven than who screamed and when, the stomach contents is virtually useless with Reeva having the opportunity and ability to eat at any time, the bladder was empty, the window was open as confirmed by Stipp in his differentiation of visible light in the bathroom, future plans were proven with Reeva, her own text proved she was definitely staying there five hours before the shots (hardly an indication that she was in an argument), crime scene evidence was lost, stolen, tromped on with no foot coverings, moved and a crucial key piece of evidence was indisputably withheld from the defense angering the judge, police perjured themselves on affidavits and in testimony the State security witness lied on the stand knowing it was Oscar who called them first.

The psych report bolstered OP's testimony across the board with absolutely nothing that was shown he was prone to violence or rage, he is heard to cry out "in pain" after the shooting "no, please, no-o-o", observations by everybody showed him to be almost incoherent, crying, vomiting, jeans were found laying inside out (this is how Reeva would leave them in a rush to leave? Then she would put on Oscar's shorts? :doh

Aside from all the reasons I laid out in minute detail in my ten part post here weeks ago, the new testimony and written supplementations that have just added even more purely incontrovertible revelations, this has to go down as specious and loathsome a prosecution railroad job as what Angela Corey dared to try to foist on George Zimmerman.

This prosecution closing argument should start out .... once upon a time...


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I see posters at True Gossip Forums miss the point (as they always do).
They work themselves up up over an imagined hole here, or an inconsistency there in THE DEFENSE CASE... as if it were the defense's burden to present a case beyond reasonable doubt.
Nothing could be further from the truth. The defense do not have to present ANY case... nothing.. if they chose. Even then there is still a burden on the STATE to present and prove a case.
Clearly at trial the defense side do propose "a case".. but it is more than sufficient for them to show some doubt in the State's Case. There is no burden on them to prove "innocence" beyond reasonable doubt. Their "case" might well have "holes" or some inconsistencies. It is THE STATE case that needs to be presented and PROVED beyond such "holes and inconsistencies"

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The extension cord that Nel blathered on and on about and then has to admit they don't know where the hell it is, is bad enough. Oscar checkmated him completely about the accusation that it wasn't long enough or couldn't be plugged in where he said it was. Then a photo that shows a cord allegedly running under the stereo speaker is explained by Pistorius that the cord is actually running "around" the speaker and would have reached the socket behind the stereo and a better angle photo would show it. Then all of a sudden, after Nel says, "well, lettuce...we'll deal with that...I'll get back to it." And the next day, or never again, not another word is mentioned about extension cords or ANY cord. Then curiously after it's useless to their case, they can't produce it and admit they withheld it from the defense knowing that it had been undeniably requested.

So the extension cord caper was bad enough.

But I also want to address the duvet. The prosecution would like us to believe the duvet was on the floor because of the argument? REALLY? They never stopped to think that Oscar could have easily said, absolutely--I threw it on the floor in my panic when I was looking for Reeva in the bed. Or they didn't stop to think that he could have said Reeva would have ripped the duvet off of her when he told her to call the police and to get down? It would be pretty logical that she wouldn't fold it up neatly and place it on the bed first. Both answers would have been bulletproof.

He could have also said, after he realized Reeva wasn't in the bed, that THAT was when he put his legs on before he raced back to the bathroom to kick the door. Why include the second trip back and forth from the bathroom on his stumps if he's masterfully tailoring a story? Now if the duvet was on the floor, it wouldn't pose any problem whatsoever when he goes to yell help on the balcony. Because he's already on his legs and wouldn't have any issues walking or tripping over anything. This leaves nothing to question. But did he say that? Did he rehearse easy answers that would have been reasonable to anybody?

NO!! Because he is doing anything but tailoring his story. And he had a whole year that he could have if he wanted to do it. His bail application statement was very general and he could have made all the pieces fit into nice all but irrefutable answers for everything.

But not only that, could anyone have a valid explanation that there were only a few blood spots on the duvet if it was on the floor? Are we to believe that he is carrying Reeva across the duvet when the blood spots occur? For what? Is he carrying her to the balcony to throw her over the railing onto the grass? That is not in his pathway route to go from the bathroom, down the passageway and then out of the bedroom. He makes a right turn probably ten feet or more before he would get to where the duvet was "photographed" on the floor. Why would he be carrying her all the way over to where the stereo is? And then if he somehow was in the vicinity of the duvet with Reeva, we are to believe there would be only a FEW small drops of blood on it? Oh pu-lease.

The blood had to be blood after she was shot because there was not a mark or an injury or a bruise on her except for the bullet wounds. There was arterial spurting of blood (even agreed to by the State's own blood expert) when he was carrying her down the stairs. In fact their blood expert testified that all the blood evidence is best explained by everything Pistorius said. There would have been significant quantities of blood on the duvet if you assume the duvet was on the floor and for some crazy reason, he carried her over it. He didn't have any blood on him until he physically picked her up or moved her from the toilet. So it couldn't have been cast-off blood from him.

Then the amazing coincidences.....the LED light was there to provide the reason he would be picking up the jeans and facing away from Reeva. It also made a visual reference necessary for him to find his way in the dark, as did the dim stereo lights, the TV power light and the lighted wall switches. The ambient light at the end of passageway from the bathroom window provided the light for him to make his way to the bathroom to cautiously approach the "danger." The blackout drapes were there to provide the darkness essential not to visually see Reeva. But yet on his return from the bathroom when he is facing the curtains, minimal ambient light is also visible at the top, sides and bottom, which provides additional reference for him to orient himself and make his way without stumbling.

Where does the insanity of reasoning guilt here end? This is like giving a five year a set of tinkertoys and saying make daddy a house. The end result of what that 5 year old's house would look like is no less ridiculous than what this prosecution's proof should like to anybody who is paying attention.

There is not one single facet of any aspect of this case that is not patched together, fabricated, theorized on pure speculation, or equally plausible with other explanations of greater logic than anything the prosecution has presented.

Barry Roux could go two days on showing the bombastic aberration this case is and I hope Judge Masipa doesn't limit the amount of time he has to do it in closing argument.

This should be champagne worthy.


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Well said as always, aavi.

As far as "the State's" case goes, I would just like to stress it's not so much a "case" that Herrie Nil has presented in any detail. It's a bare skeleton of a vague speculation only. Posters who imagine "holes" in OP's version also IMAGINE what the details of the State version is. They "fill in the gaps" in the State case. (It's called resolving Cognitive Dissonance). They continue to post what COULD be perhaps presented to support the State case.. as if the entire State presentation of a version is yet to come. The fact that Herrie Nil has not presented a clear version YET matters not to True Gossipers... they have FAITH in Nil!! He is marvelous. He can walk on water. He can turn water into wine. Or in this case....... turn bullshit into evidence.

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In the interest of correctness and admission of my own mistake, Reeva couldn't have ripped the duvet off of her when he told her to get down and call the police because she wasn't in the bed :lol She'd already gone to the toilet. Nel would have come in his robe if he said that. :lol

But saying he ripped it off the bed when he was desperately frantically searching the bed hoping to find Reeva in the bed would be perfect and nobody would question that this couldn't have happened.

Everything else stands Nel you buzzcut robe-tugging neanderthal.


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Yes aavvi..... lettuce deal with that!
(insert look of pained constipation over inflamed piles)

That does not make sense....
(hunch shoulders, pull gown up and over in Dracularesque gesture)

You are TAILORING your posts!
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We'll get to that...I am not going to go way.... you ceee you can't post that....

M'lady ..... let me find my pocket watch... I see there is only an hour to go... might we take an early tea break?

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Herrie Nil takes day off to consult psychiatrist

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Oscar Pistorius re-enacts Reeva Steenkamp shooting in extraordinary leaked video
By Aislinn Laing, Johannesburg
8:08PM BST 05 Jul 2014

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Wearing a green Nike vest and black Lycra shorts, the 27-year-old looks impassive as he acts out the
events of the night that, as he said in the witness box, "everything changed" Photo: Yahoo.com


Extraordinary footage of Oscar Pistorius apparently re-enacting the events that led up to the fatal shooting of Reeva Steenkamp through a locked bathroom door at his Pretoria home has emerged.

A preview of the footage shows the athlete running awkwardly without his prostheses, his arm stretched out from his body and his hand clenched as it holding a gun, watched and directed by several men in suits. Another sequence shows a bird's eye view of him struggling on all fours to pull a motionless brunette woman out of a small lavatory similar to the one in his home.

Wearing a green Nike vest and black Lycra shorts, the 27-year-old looks impassive as he acts out the events of the night that, as he said in the witness box, "everything changed". He maintains he shot at the lavatory door thinking Steenkamp was an intruder. The state says he killed her deliberately after an argument.

It is unclear for what purposes the re-enactment was prepared, or why it was not shown to the trial. It was reported before the trial that an American firm called The Evidence Room was preparing an animated re-enactment of the events of February 14 but no mention was made of it in court.

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Exclusive Pistorius video
Yahoo!7 July 5, 2014, 6:57 pm

The never before seen footage of Oscar Pistorius re-enacting the night he killed Reeva that convinced a top forensic expert he is innocent.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/ ... ius-video/

http://admin.brightcove.com/viewer/us20 ... 3A24393536

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Australian TV to air 'secret' Oscar video - report
2014-07-05 19:44

Cape Town – An Australian television company, Sunday Night, is set to release footage of murder accused Oscar Pistorius re-enacting the night he shot Reeva Steenkamp, according to reports.

eNCA reported that the “secret video” was shot by an American company as part of pre-trial prep and shows Pistorius walking on his stumps, while re-enacting the evening Steenkamp was killed.

Pistorius’s lawyers are reported furious to how the video got released and has told eNCA that Paralympian had not given permission for the footage to be aired.

EWN's Mandy Wiener tweeted: "Interesting - New OscarPistorius reenactment video shows him on his stumps, lifting 'Reeva'. On his version he had his prosthetic legs on."

Peter du Toit said: "Imagine killing someone then doing a reenactment and selling it for millions. Wow. Speechless."

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Oscar lawyers to take legal action over video
2014-07-05 22:46

Johannesburg - Lawyers for murder accused Paralympian Oscar Pistorius are taking legal action over footage that emerged on Saturday of him re-enacting the night he shot his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp.

"We are busy taking action against the Australian media house [that has the video]," his attorney Brian Webber told Sapa.

"They have no right to broadcast the video. We will deal with it accordingly."

The promotional video by Australian current affairs programme Sunday Night shows Pistorius walking on his stumps with an imaginary gun in his hand.

In another scene, Pistorius is seen carrying a woman out of his bathroom.

The website for the current affairs show said the video was "never before seen footage of Oscar Pistorius re-enacting the night he killed Reeva that convinced a top forensic expert he is innocent".

The video was scheduled to air on Sunday.

National Prosecuting Authority spokesperson Nathi Ncube said it was not commenting on the video.

Pistorius's family spokesperson Anneliese Burgess said the legal team was investigating the matter and "have asked for urgent clarification from Channel 7 in Australia”.

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Whoooo...why would the defense want to object to having that shown? That's baffo stuff !

It shows clearly that he can move quickly on his stumps and for the first time we can see how much the left knee is turned inward as Dr D testified. We can also now relate to how the heel "pad" would slip.

This is totally different than any other picture we have seen depicting his stumps because they were always covered. That is a really small footprint. No wonder he would be off balance if he was standing still and that his dog could knock him over.

And Nilnuts says he kicked the door and smashed the panels out standing on those :46


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It is unfortunate that evidence gets "leaked"... but since there is no Jury to "contaminate" and influence it will only serve to inflame the Mob. Heads should roll. Somebody is responsible for leaking it.
I wonder if this vid or perhaps an animation based on it could still be presented by the defense as part of their closing argument?

It does seem to show OP dragging Reeva from toilet on his stumps. Not his version now? Of course easily explained as just testing possibilities.


I hope we see more when it airs in full tonight.

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Herrie Nil needs to counter this with "reenactment" video of an argument

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Video promo seems to have been pulled... at Least I cant access it.

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That Barry works fast :84


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I KNEW it would vanish... it was in a format that I could not download.. else it would be on YT now :cool

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Different Promo vid for same show available here (Canada)

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/exclusi ... 06577.html

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New footage of Pistorius revealed
Reporters: Ross Coulthart, Steve Pennells Producers: Alex Hodgkinson, Nick Farrow, Naomi Shivaraman
July 6, 2014, 12:23 pm

Secret footage has emerged of Oscar Pistorius, currently on trial for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on Valentine’s Day last year, re-enacting exactly how he shot and killed her.

The footage, to be aired on the Seven Network's Sunday Night, shows the Olympian describing in graphic detail the events leading up to the moment he shot his girlfriend.

It shows Pistorius moving through a house on his stumps, without his prosthetic legs, demonstrating his claim that he mistook Reeva for an intruder, and killed her accidentally.

The footage has convinced top US forensic investigator Scott Roder that his story is true.

But the expose also reveals Reeva's parents and close friends concerns that her relationship was turbulent — even violent.

In an exclusive interview, Roder says Pistorius he is convinced did not mean to kill his girlfriend on the morning of February 14, after weeks of interviewing and analysing the evidence.

"Absolutely, they physical evidence is consistent and his story remains unchanged," Roder told Sunday Night reporter Ross Coulthart.

"If you look at the evidence Oscar's clearly not guilty."

In the revealing vision, the 27-year-old paralympian is shown in a Nike singlet running without his prosthetic legs and pretending to hold a gun out in front of him.

It also shows how he bashed down the bathroom door and, using his sister to demonstrate, how he pulled Reeva from the bathroom and carried her down the stairs.

Roder says Pistorius'unwavering account of his movements that day and the physical evidence has him convinced of the Blade Runner's innocence.

"When he’s on his prosthetics, you know he’s very tall broad-shouldered athletic guy he looks like he can really handle himself."

"But when he takes his prosthetics off and he’s on his stumps uh he’s short, the confidence washes away from his face."

At around 3.12am on February the 14th, shots were reported from the athlete's secure compound in Pretoria, South Africa.

At 3.19 Pistorius called a neighbor. At 3.20 he phoned for an ambulance. At 3.21 he called Security at the compound.

Screams were reportedly heard coming from his home.

Reeva Steenkamp stopped breathing three minutes before the ambulance arrived and, according to paramedics, died in his arms.
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About half of these cases were in defense of police or prosecution and half for plaintiff/defendants including a death penalty case where a virtual crime scene model and animation was provided.

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