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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:04 am 
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Good man... twice he has asked Null what his question is. Null has a habit of in effect testifying himself rather than actually asking a question.

And more.. he points out that Null made a statement rather than asked a question.

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Ha Ha.... Oldwage objects to Null trying to introduce document about treating psychologists not testifying about their patients

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Null really is an asshole. Not addressing the evidence AT ALL... just attacking the witnesses "integrity"

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He's everything I expected and a bowl of chips.

Short answers, makes the wolverine ask a question, thinks and takes his time before answering, refuses to be badgered.

Nel is going to go down with this guy like the Hindenburg. It will be bias, bias, bias, bias, not impartial, bias :stamp

This doctor will have him foaming at the mouth. Every defense witness should study this guy and take notes. :Q23


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:eek Harry ("Early tea-break") NUL has asked to DELAY lunch break for 5 or 10 minutes!!!! :eek

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:27 am 
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Clearly Nul can not help being an aggressive bully with EVERY witness. He badgers all of them until they say something he can latch on to. The Judge(s) must be aware of this and so will likely not read too much into it.

I hear Nul described as a "Pit Bull"......

To me he is like a little "wire haired terrier" that keeps humping away at your leg!!
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You cee, you cee, you cee you cee, lettuce lettuce lettuce lettuce just lettuce....deal with it, lettuce ya see

Every time I hear him talk, it's like nails on a blackboard. If I had to deal with him in my social circle, I'd knock that peckerhead through a wall.


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I agree aavi... Nil a nasty petty little man.

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So Nil wants the day off tomorrow to consult with a psychiatrist... it's about bloody time :lol

I don't think the psychiatrist will be able to help Nil much... he's still be an aggressive narcissistic little shit come Monday!

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Seems to me that throughout Nil has conceded that OP's version is what happened? Else why all this angst over what OP was thinking at each stage etc.

Yet the State version is that NONE of this stuff happened.. there was no startle or "Flight/flight" .... it was just angry OP chasing Reeva around the house (on his stumps) and trapping her in the toilet.

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They've dragged this trial out so long I actually forgot about it.


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Hi rovatek... :28

...been so long since you posted I forgot about you :slap

They certainly never miss a chance for an adjournment :wall

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You cee, you cee, you cee you cee, lettuce lettuce lettuce lettuce just lettuce....deal with it, lettuce ya see

Every time I hear him talk, it's like nails on a blackboard. If I had to deal with him in my social circle, I'd knock that peckerhead through a wall.



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Rumpole wrote:
Clearly Nul can not help being an aggressive bully with EVERY witness. He badgers all of them until they say something he can latch on to. The Judge(s) must be aware of this and so will likely not read too much into it.



He's clinging to that one last piece of ice alongside the Titanic.

He has to find a way to manipulate and prestidigitate the evidence that OP intentionally thought with full intent and forethought that he's going to kill Reeva and then he just aims and blasts away. He HAS to suck-in the judge in to that whitewash up to her neck and detour her from any thought that it was anything other than a rage reaction directed solely at Reeva. Anything that relates to fight or flight dooms him. It doesn't matter if he has to import the gutter scraping tactics from Iran.

Dr. Derman is really getting to him. That's why he didn't even break for lunch on time. Any nit wit that thinks Nel is grinding him up must be in the high one digits for an IQ. I'm watching the Oscar Pistorius trial, I don't know what one they're watching. I have to laugh when he says "good" "goot" when he just got his tallywhacker snipped by the answer. As if he was happy with it :lol Talk about a C grade actor.

I'm also loving how Oldwage is acting like an attorney for a change objecting and not letting the little runt give an oratory of made up horseshit. It confounds the hell out of me why Roux doesn't do it more and not allow his witnesses to be bulldozed. I would be up every two minutes...with "asked and answered...compound question...distorts the record." He never asks enough questions on re-direct either. It's the golden opportunity to reinforce points right and left and to imbed them indelibly in the judge's minds. He whiffs that opportunity almost every time.

But Nel is having a panic attack over Dr. D. So much so, that now he needs to reach deep for a rabbit in the hat--a psychiatrist, that he originally felt little need to call, and doesn't even want to name :lol


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It's fascinating to read multiple places about the same trial. And to witness how certain each "side" is about how the trial is unfolding.

IMO the certainty on each side is misplaced. If I understand what's been reported about OP's psych eval, the panel doesn't believe he had an incapacitating level of anxiety that night. That's pretty huge if accurate as this trial revolves around OP's state of mind.

On the other hand, I don't see the DT as desperate or panicking or whatever, as The Certain keep claiming. IMO Nel hasn't proven any elements of premeditated murder, and has barely made a case for culpable homicide.

Personally I trust Marsapi to get it right......but, we'll see..


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I hope Marsapi gets it right. :)

If this trial were before a jury I think it WOULD be looking bad for OP. Just imagine a Jury Pool comprising people like those who post at True Gossip Forums :eek

It is easy to lose sight of the fact that The State version is that NONE of the events we are discussing happened. OP was driven by RAGE... the subtleties of the fight/flight response were not in play at all. OP's "vulnerability" is not an issue. He shot Reeva intentionally with 4 shots starting after 3:17 and then performed a physically impossible series of actions by the time The estate manager Mr Stander arrived at Pistorius's house with his daughter at 3:22 am.

The fact that Nil is so aggressively arguing the fine detail of OP's version indicates he has conceded that OP's version will probably be accepted by the Judge(s). I don't see how anybody (apart from the Mob who have an unshakeable presumption of guilt) can still be sure (beyond reasonable doubt at least) that OP shot at the door KNOWING Reeva was behind it.


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Where has there been much scrutiny of the State version in this trial?
When was the "argument"? what was it about? Where exactly did it take place? Did it move from room to room perhaps? Where is the evidence of that? Furniture knocked over, plates broken.. whatever? Was OP on his stumps? How is that possible given the difficulty he has moving about? etc etc etc. It seems to me that there is very scant evidence of an argument (one witness hearing one voice from an unknown location).... the rest is pure supposition.. or worse it is a baseless fiction.

Things seem a bit arse-backwards to me. It is the State who are supposed to present a version of events. With evidence to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. The defense can chose to say nothing, or they can answer the State case. Herrie Nil presented evidence but NEVER brought it together as a version of events. That seems to be the SA way??

I guess... "stay tuned for closing arguments" :95

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IMO the certainty on each side is misplaced. If I understand what's been reported about OP's psych eval, the panel doesn't believe he had an incapacitating level of anxiety that night. That's pretty huge if accurate as this trial revolves around OP's state of mind.


OP nor Roux never wanted or put forth a contention that OP had anxiety to the extent of a medical defect. He never claimed that even though Dr. Vorster testified to it as GAD. She explained over and over it was not a mental illness or defect. It was only to show that prior experiences, his high crime location and his disability caused him to go into protective mode, especially with Reeva there. They didn't find exactly what Roux tried to tell them Oscar didn't have. Roux tried to save 30 days of wasted time.

This is what the OPifrier's don't get. Nel stepped in a bucket of goo and poo. The psychiatrist report I believe was only one page. Their diagnosis the night of the murder---"NONE." The psychologist wrote a virtual thesis confirming everything that OP testified he perceived that night and why he reacted as he did including being anxious and even presenting now with acute latent PTSD.

There is no word that is more important in this trial than that one.......what he perceived. And he perceived a burglar.


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A Good Day for Oscar Pistorius at Trial as Final Defense Witness Testifies
By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 08:18:00 AM EST

So far, today's trial proceedings have gone very well for Oscar. His final witness, his physician and team doctor, is on the stand. The following is a recap from tweets of several live reporters in the courtroom:

Earlier today, the psych evaluation report of the state panel of experts was read into the record and accepted by both parties. Neither called witnesses to expound on it. The report found Oscar does not have narcissistic personality traits, and he has no history of abnormal aggression of violence. He has no personality traits typical of a rage killer, and he does feel genuinely vulnerable. Oscar has a history of feeling insecure and vulnerable, especially without prostheses

The report also confirmed Oscar and Reeva were in a loving relationship. There were no signs of abuse or coercion.
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I still believe that the state has not come close to proving its case beyond a reasonable doubt, and that an acquittal is in order. I think Oscar's lawyer outperformed his adversary by miles. All Nell displayed was anger as he presented his dubious theory and conflicting witness testimony. We'll have to wait to see if the Judge agrees.
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....more at link
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2014/7/2/ ... -Testifies

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Jeralyn Merritt is a practicing lawyer and so her opinion does have some "weight" in regards legal matters and assessment of the trial and the performances of the lawyers involved. It is always possible to "hoodwink" a Mob who have a "presumption of guilt" and even Jury members despite them having been given instructions on how to evaluate the presentations. However, the hope here is that a Judge will be assessing the evidence and arguments presented properly, and in the context of applicable law. I do hope the Judge(s) do that and view things along the lines that (lawyer) Jeralyn Merritt does.

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