What do you make of him standing up to Nel and being quite assertive in his replies, as opposed to when he was giving evidence to his own lawyer, breakdown tears etc. Being grilled so much by the prosecution, he would have broken down more - curious or not?

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It seems TOTALLY crazy that these assertions about how long the electrid cords are is allowed. If Nel wants to prove something along those lines.... why not show the fans, exact length of cord etc. You can not just look at photos, where cord is not even shown full???

Also all this crap and demands for OP to say what he discussed with his lawyers??????? What happened to "privileged conversations"

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Maybe it's temporary... and I am just sufferuing from an overdose of Nel.... but I am beginning to lose interest in the case.


The court rules are just plain daft.... the way crap can be "put" with no evidence having been introduced.... badgering witnesses and browbeating... laughing and mocking even.

The Cops AND the attorneys all seem incompetent.

With the crime scene clearly compromised... and the photos already SHOWN to have been after things were moved... I fail to understand why the case was not dismissed. You certainly can not now be presenting photos and zooming in on details? The photos are suspect. The detail can not be relied on for sure

Surely ANY conviction will be appealed... and overturned. How can a decision based on crap be safe?

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The thing is dragging, it's as if Nel has to put on a show because let me tell you, there is no sympathy in SA for OP and tthe public in SA are fully behind Nel. I have spoken this morning to 3 residents of Pretoria and J'berg they are saying he was so distraught that he had to get a new much younger girlfriend, a new sportscar, a new house, and a lot of holidays to get "over his awful grief" further adding sarcastically "oh yes grief is such a terrible thing!

I have also looked on some normally supportive sites, and not prone to fancy who have similar thoughts.

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I can promise you that you won't lose interest if and when the Dewali trial begins, mind you I've not heard if that will be streamed - possibly because it's an international case it may be.

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This Sunday night on TV chn. I.D. they will have a special program about Oscar Pistorius. It said 9/8 central.
I guess look up the time in the paper. I think her parents will be interviewed. That will be interesting to hear - at this stage of the trial. Mark it down.

Great take on last night posted by Jeralyn Merritt at TalkLeft...

It has given me the will to press on watching this farce of a trial. At least I know that others see it as I do.

Oscar Pistorius's Cross-Examination
By Jeralyn, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 12:24:17 PM EST

The press seems to be fawning over prosecutor Gerrie Nel and his "bully-ish" cross-examination of Oscar Pistorius. I was not impressed. I was glad the Judge called him out over his inappropriate sarcasm and laughter and claims Oscar's emotional outbursts were manufactured.

“You possibly think this is entertainment. It is not,” she told Nel. “Please restrain yourself.”

I don't think he proved Pistorius is lying about his account. Nel is trying to get Pistorius to admit to Nel's interpretation of the facts, and when he won't, because he doesn't agree with Nel's interpretation, he blasts him as a liar and murderer and tells him to accept responsibility.

It's not the prosecutor's job to tell a defendant to accept responsibility for the crime for which he's on trial and denies committing. It's his job to ask questions and test his version of the facts.

Unless a defendant's story is so rehearsed it never changes, there are obviously going to be minor discrepancies. It's not surprising that Oscar's memory is better on what led up to the shooting than during the moments of trauma afterwards when he realized Reeva was dead.
[...]
I don't see a premeditated murder case here. As to the lesser offense of culpable murder, that's a tougher call. But it seems to me the prosecutor overcharged the case and the testimony of most of his witnesses (particularly the neighbors) were inconsistent with each other. The media's praise of him and his bombastic style is misplaced. He's just substituting theatrics for his lack of proof, and throwing everything he can think of against the wall, hoping something sticks.

The judge has not hesitated to rein in the prosecutor. His approach may sell with the public, but it remains to be seen whether it helps or hurts his case with the judge -- the only person whose opinion matters in the end.

...more at link
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2014/4/10 ... mination#6

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It was almost humorous today to see how pathetic Nel was in struggling to impeach OP's account one iota.

I thought for sure at least on the gun charges, there was going to be a reasonably easy showing that he was responsible on those. But Nel hasn't even been able to do that .

His stupid laughing...but you see, you see, you see, ah but you see, you see...and then the hee hee hee hee hee after every one is very telling because he knows he's got to try and bluff. He knows he's getting creamed in this cross examination. Even the judge was pissed by the laughing.

When you are in a debate and you are losing, you always laugh and desperately try to sound like you're winning. If this was a championship fight, it would have been stopped.

If you get to the point where your entire case rests on the fact that Oscar never said an offensive word to anyone in his life and then you have to spend almost an hour trying to make it sound like it was his reason to murder Reeva, that almost qualified for the hall of fame in weak evidence in a case.

He got nailed when Oscar showed him the fan cord was not under the speaker and blew that gotcha out of the water. The non existent argument was shut down again by the judge and she made him say it was their "theory" not a fact. Let alone anything in evidence.

He hasn't tripped him up once. Nel is making a gold plated ass of himself and he is floundering with almost every question.

I'm shocked, Pistorius knocked him all over the courtroom today.

Hi aavi

I welcome your positive "spin" on things, but the way I saw it Nel scored some blows. Well... actually Oscar kept scoring "own goals" really. I wish he would shut up.

I am not saying ANY of it is of much relevance to basic version of the night, but some of it does point to Oscar's temperament...little points I agree but eventually such points "add up".

Oscar's replies in regard to sunroof incident day... did not prove the incident happened... but did leave muddy waters that two lying accusers are still swimming around in. Which reminds me: Nel was claiming (hinting) that he has a photo of OP with the person visited to sign gun papers or whatever.... WHY is Nel allowed to just dangle this as threatened evidence? He should surely show it. Verify date etc.
We are left to guess wtf it shows? Maybe nothing? Maybe OP did visit this guy (as he admits) but not on the day of the alleged sunroof thing. The entire trial seems to include "Secwet ebidense"... that may or may not show anything? It's a bit of a farce.

The restaurant thing.
Unless Roux can show a demo of a similar Glock firing with nobody pulling the trigger... OP has painted himself into a proven big fat lie. Stubbornness. Refusal to admit and take responsibility. And THAT may have an effect on the main event of the trial.... more damning that what Nel imagines parsed phrases in a text message might mean.

The damned box of 38 ammo!!
I assume Roux TOLD him to plead not guilty?
Simple matter of SA law. If OP is guilty of a crime (even if it was as he claims) Roux surely would have told him to plead guilty. Why mess about with it at all?
If Roux is sure of his law on this... why not object to Roux badgering Oscar over it?

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Nel is confused and he has the all to say OP is confused??

I knew there was a prvious pain job on house... only Nel did not get the memo

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Morning/evening all,
Once again I see a very composed Oscar! He is quite assertive just as yesterday. Not at all the broken man we heard throughout his testimony from his own lawyer???

I think it is time to bring this trial to a conclusion - I wonder what the cross will be like from Roux?

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The denim question - was it moved by him or the police. Well if this crime had happened here, I would have thought the police had 'bagged' the denim, but how the SA police would work around a crime scene is anybody's guess.

Get the picture blown up - simples. Judge ripped into Nel rightly so - you do not call a witness a liar whilst giving evidence, that is a no no!

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Hi Wroughead

The only person confused today is Nel... he does not know left from right and he was not listening when OP said the alarm sensors were removed during previous paint... It was because of that experience that OP thought some might be gone during the renovations at the time of the incident (ACCIDENTAL shooting) .
Nel also does not get (and OP has not explained very well) that the sensors can be taken off the wall... but still working, and so will not show as a fault when you activate the alarm.. On top of all that... this is all total irrelevant crap

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I wonder, when I look sometimes, at Reeva's mother what is going through her mind when watching or listenening to Oscar. She is hard IMO to guage.
Oscar does seem to be confrontational at times. I see now that the judge is pulling Nel up e.g. the 'liar' thing. However, she hasn't intervened too much till now. Even now asking (at length) if Oscar is tired, and if this is why his answers are different.

Nel is being theatrical, you're right, he's confused and talking rubbish - he's not done his homework.

All in all today OP is holding up quite well. Break for cttoffee and ciggies!

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Nel scores!!!

He made OP cry and get upset again....



Nel is a little bully...

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yes we should move on now. He's milking this for all his worth.

A '115' is a bail application!

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An awful lot of things "don't make sense" to Nel

Is he thick or what?


I put it to you... he needs to buy a vowel, or phone a friend or at least get more sleep and turn up to court sober!!

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Nel SURE IS a PIT BULL. They would stop that and call it "badgering" I think in my country. TOO long ... too much! Trying to watch the videos whenever I can! Thanks R.