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Has John Guy been sued for sexual assault by the mannequin's attorneys yet?

No it was deemed consensual.

However... Trent has filed a Civil claim..... copyright on Cabbage Patch Doll used in Zim Demos

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Has anyone else had prob with connecting to CTH? I posted one or two comments now its saying page doesnt exist?

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10:00 a.m.
Mantei says there are notes on each side’s proposals. He says the first issue is West said everywhere the word defendant appears it be replaced with Zimmerman.

He says it would be special focus or treatment.

Judge Nelson says she’s noticed sometimes the name is in all caps. She doesn’t think it’s objectionable to have his name in place of defendant. She only asks it be in caps or upper-lower case.

West proposes upper-lower case.

They agree to make the change.

The first page will be as the state has proposed.

9:55 a.m.
Judge Nelson returns to the bench.

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State has dropped Aggravated Manslaughter from, and added Felony Third Degree Murder to, lesser-included charges.

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"That the attacker sustained a mortal wound is a matter that should have been considered by the deceased before he committed himself to the task he undertook." - 5th DCA, Stinson v. State (Fl)

Interesting Freudian slip by Nelson, when questioning Zimmerman: "Are you aware that your counsel will be arguing before the jury that the charge is manslaughter or nothing?"

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"That the attacker sustained a mortal wound is a matter that should have been considered by the deceased before he committed himself to the task he undertook." - 5th DCA, Stinson v. State (Fl)

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What about leaving a vehicle in the 3rd degree with the addition of the Honda Ridgeline clause.

Yes

It's not decided yet ... but it looks like NO INCLUDED has a good chance?

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I don't see any valid argument coming to exclude manslaughter by act or procurement.

The defense should be able to argue successfully to exclude manslaughter by culpable negligence.

I need to go read Felony Third Degree murder again.

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10:04 a.m.
Judge Nelson asks about the lesser charges. Mantei says the defense will be seeking zero lesser charges.

Judge Nelson checks with Zimmerman that he understands that. She says the supreme court provides for the lesser offences and the state is seeking that.

Zimmerman confirms he is aware his attorneys are seeking zero lesser charges.

He confirms he agrees with the defense seeking only second-degree murder or nothing.

Judge Nelson returns to addressing Mantei about the state changes on charges.

West asks if they can do the argument now for including the lesser charges.

Judge Nelson says they will do it when they get to that point.

They go over more of the wording.

Mantei begins his argument for including the lesser charges.

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Felony Third-Degree Murder (Fl. St. 782.04(4)):



Umm... "when perpetuated without any design to effect death", and "by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any felony"

The only thing the State has proven is that Zimmerman pulled the trigger, which is by definition the use of deadly force (i.e. a design to effect death).

The state has not alleged nor proven that Zimmerman was otherwise committing any felony.

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Child Abuse

Mini-Me is trying to argue child abuse?!? Seriously?

That's real retarded, sir!

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The "child" was the abuser in may ways.

Weasel.... Child abuse.... you can't make this stuff up!!!

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