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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:40 am 
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Trajectory BOOM!

De Miao just testified that the bullet had at least some left-to-right trajectory (i.e. from Martin's perspective), and was not perfectly perpendicular with respect to Martin's body.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:47 am 
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liesel wrote:
Two animal rescuers on jury.


This is a disaster for the defense!!


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DeMiao: brain has a reserve oxygen supply sufficient to maintain consciousness for at least 10-15 seconds. Person with heart literally ripped out could stand, walk, and talk for those 10-15 seconds.

So much for Bao's attempts to say that Martin was unable to move or speak immediately after the gun shot.

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chipbennett wrote:
Trajectory BOOM!

De Miao just testified that the bullet had at least some left-to-right trajectory (i.e. from Martin's perspective), and was not perfectly perpendicular with respect to Martin's body.



Who here remembers the JQ people getting all pissy when I told them that last year? :)


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:52 am 
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This is a disaster for the defense!!

Maybe, but OTOH, media reporting also that jury captivated by DiMaio and taking a lot of notes. So, maybe they didn't catch it, or aren't holding it against the defense. IF, IF, If it's the latter, that sounds very good for GZ to me; like they're already leaning his way.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:53 am 
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liesel wrote:
Two animal rescuers on jury.


murderbythebook wrote:
This is a disaster for the defense!!

They know the med's and foods they consume or use are often brought to us through testing on animals. It will mean nothing.


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DeMiao: it is possible that Martin could move his arms during his time of consciousness after gun shot.

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Should note contraction is natural reaction.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:57 am 
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At what point will Bernie jump up and say "If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must convict"?


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Truthiness wrote:


Who here remembers the JQ people getting all pissy when I told them that last year? :)

Hi, Truthiness! Hmm... that may have come up in the daft thread or the one before. :Gslap

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/starting- ... 00024.html

...There's a good chance the jury — which doesn't have a single black person — could acquit his killer because of a lack of evidence.


The SOP of media reporting!


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chipbennett wrote:
DeMiao: it is possible that Martin could move his arms during his time of consciousness after gun shot.


But no blood is getting to Bernie's brain and he moves his arms all the time!


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liesel wrote:
Two animal rescuers on jury.


murderbythebook wrote:
This is a disaster for the defense!!
kbp wrote:
They know the med's and foods they consume or use are often brought to us through testing on animals. It will mean nothing.


Two dead bunnies to save Zimmerman's life?

More than a fair trade.

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chipbennett wrote:
DeMiao: brain has a reserve oxygen supply sufficient to maintain consciousness for at least 10-15 seconds. Person with heart literally ripped out could stand, walk, and talk for those 10-15 seconds.

So much for Bao's attempts to say that Martin was unable to move or speak immediately after the gun shot.

And also so much for the suffering for up to 10 minutes because it wasn't likely that long and he was likely unconscious for most of what time there was.

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Dr. Di Maio says the ability to move is determined by the amount of oxygen in the brain in reserve, which is 10 to 15 seconds at minimum.

He says some people immediately collapse and others don’t know they’ve been shot.

With a through-and-through hole of the ventricle of the heart and a hole in the lung, he says blood is being lost.

He says the heart rate increases when involved in a struggle. He says if Martin lost a tablespoon of blood every time the heart beats, it would be about a quarter of his blood supply in one minute.

Assuming those conditions, he would be dead in one to three minutes after being shot, Dr. Di Maio says.

Dr. Di Maio says he has seen cases where someone with similar injuries could talk and move, describing one man that ran 65 feet before collapsing.

11:46 a.m.
Dr. Di Maio says he is aware Zimmerman said Martin was straddling him and he had his gun in his right hand.

He says the medical evidence is consistent with Zimmerman’s statement because the simplest thing is the gun being in his right hand.

“The most important point is the nature of the defect in the clothing and the powder tattooing,” he says, adding that when someone leans over the clothing sits away from the chest.

He says it is consistent with someone leaning over and their clothes being two to four inches away.

Dr. Di Maio says wet clothing is heavier and something in the front would pull it away from the body.

He says the wound’s gap and powder tattooing indicates consistency with Zimmerman’s account that Martin was over him leaning forward at the time he was shot.

11:41 a.m.
He says he has done a lot of research on powder tattooing.

He says it is similar to the spraying of a hose and the water spreading out from it.

Dr. Di Maio says the clothing didn’t filter out the powder because there was a hole there.

West asks if the muzzle was pressed against Martin what would be different.

Dr. Di Maio says the wound would have a halo of black soot.

“This is basic 101,” he says about the difficulty in his conclusion.

West asks about the path of the bullet.

Dr. Di Maio says the autopsy describes a bullet hole in the left chest, then went through the ribs, hit the sac surrounding the heart, and went through the right ventricle of the heart and the right lung.

He says the lead core of the bullet and jacket fragments can be seen.

There’s some left-to-right trajectory, he confirms.

The shot doesn’t appear to be straight-on, he says.

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