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LondoJowo
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:48 am 
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I beginning to wonder how certain parties are beginning to feel

Former Police Chief Lee and former SAO Wolfinger - Told you so!!!! :neener

Mayor Triplett and city manager/counsel - Houston, we have a problem!!!! :smoke
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Referring to the weasel:


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Yup, you got it, Londo.

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I saw a post in Anandtech's thread on the case that is so spot on as to how a juror should view/judge the evidence.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.ph ... ount=62469

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If I was a Juror, it'd go like this.

I don't care about any wrongs or history TM has. Not here to judge him. Here to judge GZ.

So, work it backwards from the moment of the murder charge. GZ shoots TM. Before that, GZ was taking a beating. Probably Aggravated Assault and Battery, which under law you've the right to use deadly force to stop.

Take it back further, did GZ do anything to deny himself the right to self defense? Well... before he took the beating someone made contact first. Someone approached the other, someone started this "fight". Who? We don't know. Only Zimmerman knows, and his testimony is obviously in his own favor. We can't just rely on that - but we have nothing to contradict it either.

So GZ's testimony stands by default, no piece of evidence challenges it.

Case closed, not guilty.
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It is like a breath of fresh air now that the defense has started it's case. The witnesses are actually credible, and obviously telling the truth rather than reciting their memorized scripts,
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That is good, Londo. Thanks for bringing it over. This case is so simple. It's like one has to be a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracist to not see this. Hmmm... isn't it an odd coincidence that so many of the Trayborg™ are conspiracists?

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Mimbler wrote:
It is like a breath of fresh air now that the defense has started it's case. The witnesses are actually credible, and obviously telling the truth rather than reciting their memorized scripts,
Mike

Hi, Mike! :51 Nice to cyber-see you. :)

I so very much agree with you. I've posted ad nauseum how much my eyes have been opened by the unethical behavior of the state in this case; from the falsified (no)probable cause affidavit, to flat out lying in open court about what the evidence showed or what testimony was given.

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John_Galt wrote:

I predict Nelson - State will attempt conviction via very fuarked up jury instructions.

You may be right but that would be just another brick in the wall of reversible error. They're clearly not smart enough to be subtle or to skirt the edges. Well, either that, or the case is just so blatantly a political and malicious prosecution that they can't accomplish anything by staying barely within the lines, even within the broad lines of judicial discretion. :46

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It occurred to me that maybe not everyone here is a sci-fi geek. They may not know why I refer to most supporters of the prosecution as "Trayborg™". Well, the trademark ™ is self-explanatory for Traydemark, but the "borg" part maybe not so much. Here ya' go:



IMO, that shoe fits.

PS - The borg share one brain; one speaks for all; they are one; etc.

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Traymom™'s testimony just was not credible imo. Of course, I didn't believe her (and strongly disliked her actions to date) before she ever took the stand. As many have pointed out, it just defies common sense and all evidence put forth so far to suggest it was TM™ screaming.

Trying to put that aside, however, trying to look for objective indications of falsehood, she reeked, imo. What do you think? What body language, phrases, whatever, seems credible or not credible to you?

From ItsMichaelNotMike's youtube channel:

Initial testimony (not including button identification). Sidebar over and testimony starts at 8:10 in video:



And what are your thoughts about Traybro™'s testimony? Credible or not? Why?


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MikeMcDaniel wrote:
The Trayvon Martin Case, Update 32.5: The Prosecution Rests; The ME Explodes!

The final day of the prosecution’s case remained true to form in every respect, and also provided another glimpse—actually, a substantial look—into the prosecution’s closing arguments.

...


Read more at Stately McDaniel Manor.

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Sybrina's change in her appearance was so blatant, that any juror paying attention would see it - hopefully, for what it's worth.

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MikeMcDaniel wrote:
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Attorneys have a duty never to misstate facts or the law. One expects defense attorneys to take the occasional liberty with the truth and to spin facts to fit their theories, but I’ve never before seen a prosecutor engage in such blatant falsehoods, and so many in such a short time. It was a disgusting and demeaning performance.
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Emphasis in original, linked above.

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jayjerome wrote:

It's a body language gesture of sympathy for someone you're going to disappoint


Wow, that sounds right. I hope it is.
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Hi, Puzzler! Yes, I agree, that was a big shift, glasses and all. If you read McDaniel's blog linked above, he goes into how she parsed her answers to the defense. I can understand a mother not wanting to cooperate with the people defending her child's killer but imo, she came off as more than defensive - she appeared false and misleading. There is more though... I think. ;)

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Hi, mdbd! That was my thought: Hard to face someone you're about to let down or that you disbelieve.

BTW - Did I miss answering a post by you in the trial thread yesterday? You quoted me and I meant to reply but not sure if I did and much too lazy -- er, busy, yeah that's it, busy -- to try to find it. Do you recall? If not, I suppose whatever it was either I replied or someone else did. :)

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Good afternoon everybody. It's nice to come here and discuss/read rational, sane and intelligent posts. I've been trying to do the same at another site, where apparently most of the posters either didn't watch the trial or shut the TV off when the defense was cross examining the witnesses. :wall :wall :wall
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If this has already been posted, someone please let me know so I can delete this post. TIA

MikeMcDaniel wrote:
The Trayvon Martin Case; Update 32.4: The Faithful Waver

Before I launch into the news for the week of July 4, readers that have not yet seen George Zimmerman’s reenactment of the events of February 26, 2012, should visit Greta VanSusteran’s blog where she has the video. It goes a long way toward putting a human face on the media creation that has, until recently, been George Zimmerman. I suspect that many will be struck by how meek he is, hardly a raging, racist killer. The reenactment was filmed the next day, a bit after 5 PM.

It may also be enlightening, but not surprising, to visit Twitchy to discover the kinds of threats being made against Zimmerman’s life.
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http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/the-witness- ... idnt-call/

THE WITNESS ZIMMERMAN PROSECUTORS DIDN'T CALL
Exclusive: Jack Cashill notes woman who milked media early on wasn't put on stand

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