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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:33 am 
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Let me guess the prosecution is going to make it sound like GZ was ready to kill someone because he had a full mag with one in the pipe. I don't know anyone that doesn't do this with their concealed carry or ready use pistol. :98


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:35 am 
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Kathi Belich on twitter has a link to Pleasants comment on the petition. It was a comment in support of Chief Lee and the Sanford Police department.


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Disgusting!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:40 am 
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Doesn't seem to me he wants GZ arrested; seems he supports chief.

" · Gordon Pleasants commented on the petition
· about 1 year ago"

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Support for Sanford Police Chief Billy Lee and Sanford Police Department

It seems as though all we are hearing from uninformed citizens and commissionsers is as follows:

We are angry! We want justice! We wanted Chief Lee and the Sanford Police Department to arrest and convict George Zimmerman for the murder of Trayvon Martin! However, Chief Lee, who himself felt the incident was morally reprehensible, failed to do what we wanted. Therefore, the Sanford City Commission made a majority vote of “no confidence” in Chief Lee which resulted in him temporarily stepping aside.

Chief Lee did not listen to our emotions. He refused to make an arrest when the family, citizens, commissioners and press demanded it. Why do we have a chief of police if he isn’t going to perform as we dictate? The answer is easy. Chief Lee is honest and morally sound. The Chief of Police is supposed to ensure the rights of the citizens are protected during criminal investigations. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but that includes the suspect in this case. Chief Lee has an obligation to ensure a thorough investigation is conducted, ensure the rights of the suspect are not violated and to present the case to the State Attorney’s Office for determining prosecution; not determine guilt as many of have already done without a trial. Chief Lee has been the only person in Sanford who has stood up for the rights we cherish. The only problem is we tend to only want these rights to apply to “us” and not those we “think” are guilty.

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Retired Casselberry Police Lieutenant and current Professor of Criminal Justice

Emphasis added to identifying info - it's the witness almost certainly.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:42 am 
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They have framed TM's Hoodie... whch is only fair since they framed George.

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Well Skype was so so interesting (duh) I used to like watching Greta - I thought she was pretty good and what she did.

Oh where is this case going.....

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:44 am 
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So, anyone else before Traymom™ and the persecution rests; stops putting on defense witnesses? ;)

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11:41 a.m.
She defines the term trigger pull.

She measured it on the firearm using weights. She says it was between 4.5 and 4.25.

Guy shows her the fired cartridge casing.

She says she can determine the gun that fired the casing by comparing them to a test fired one.

She says the cartridge case was fired in the pistol.

Siewert also received bullet fragments.

She says the fired bullet jacket portion was fired from the pistol. The fragments were inconclusive and the lead core was not suitable.

She says the fragments were very damaged.

She received clothing in this case.

She says when a gun is fired a cloud can leave a pattern on an object.

Guy shows the jury the sweater Martin was wearing.

Siewert says she did distance testing on it by looking at the area around the hole. She looked for gun powder particles, sooting and the ends of the fibers.

She says she removed a portion of the back of the sweatshirt for testing purposes. She points out the area.

11:33 a.m.
Guy asks her about her training, education and work history. She has been an expert 17 times before.

She examined the firearm for this case. Guy shows it to her.

She tells the jury the type of gun. She defines the semi-automatic and 9 mm terms.

She says she did a general firearm exam. She test fired the gun and says it was found to be functional.

Guy removes the safety lock. A deputy clears the gun.

She shows the jury how the gun would be loaded and readied to fire.

Guy asks if there is a way to load it so you wouldn’t have to pull the slide back.

She explains how that can be done if the magazine is full.

She says she received seven cartridges, or bullets, total.

It would be consistent with a loaded magazine and one in the chamber, she says.

She says the firearm cannot be cocked unless the trigger is pulled.

Siewert explains trigger travel distance and says this gun has a longer distance than most handguns.

“You have to pull back significantly in order release the firing mechanism,” she says.

She shows the jury the holster.

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:Q23

This is about to be very fun.

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Guy shows the jury and Siewert the long-sleeved shirt Martin wore under the hooded sweatshirt.

She removed an area from it as well.

Guy asks if she captured her test fire analysis with photography.

She says yes.

Guy shows the court a picture of the hooded sweatshirt.

She points out the markings on it. She says she measured the distance from the shoulder seam and sidearm seam.

Guy shows a close-up photo of the hole. She says there are a few gun powder particles and blackening around the hole, plus burning and singing of the fabric.

Guy shows a close-up of inside the sweatshirt.

She explains how she conducts a distance test. She test fired into portions of both garments she received, she says.

Guy shows a photo of the distance test.

Guy asks what she determined the distance from the muzzle of the gun to the material. She says she determined it was a contact shot.

Guy asks about testing of the under sweatshirt.

She says there was tearing of the fabric and gun powder particles, and light sooting and burning of the fabric ends.

Guy shows the distance test photo. She says she conducted the test simultaneous as the other one and layered them with the hoodie on top.

She says it was consistent with a contact shot.

She says it is consistent with the muzzle making contact with the outer sweatshirt.

Guy finishes questioning.

O'Mara begins cross examination.

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Rumpole wrote:
They have framed TM's Hoodie... whch is only fair since they framed George.

:Gslap :lol

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Wow, she does NOT want to answer MOM. Evasive, reluctant. Hope the jury is seeing this.

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O’Mara asks about the issues being examined.

Guy objects to the conclusion of what is at issue.

O’Mara is asked to rephrase the questions.

O’Mara asks if she knows of issues in the case. She says they are never told what issues there are.

O’Mara asks her to hold out the gun. He asks if she know what different types of firearms are used for. He asks her about the double action feature.

She explains what double action means.

O’Mara asks if it is a safety feature. She says yes.

O’Mara asks if some weapons are used for self-defense. She says yes.

He asks if a firearm for self-defense should be ready to use. She says potentially.

She says something like that would be more of a personal preference.

O’Mara asks about external safety and the extra step to turn it off.

Siewert explains that with the double action and hammer, the gun cannot be fired unless the trigger is pulled.

O’Mara asks about the trigger travel distance.

She explains that it is much longer than a single action firearm.

O’Mara asks if that would mean the gun wouldn’t fire unless the trigger is pulled.

He asks if that is for safety. She says potentially, yes.

She says the gun is safe in terms it will not fire unless the trigger is pulled.

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