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#Zimmerman Trial: MOM: "In 7-11 video did he look skinny kid? Serino: "No, like a much larger looking individual."


Where's Rumpoles favorite shirtless pic of Tryavon?

...you and the jury?????

Did anyone see motion filed by the state yesterday? For West to have a response written/printed, it seems like it wouldn't be the same issue from this morning?

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Call me a bit dim, but why did BDLR ask if it would be speculation to say if it was raining outside?

The WORRY I have expressed before is that the Judicial system gives the State the last word.... Bernie' last gasp rebuttal closing statement could well contain his typical BS... and that is the last thing the Jury will hear.

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Oh joy. Recess. More Bill Schaeffer - this time, helpfully explaining that, in charging Zimmerman with second-degree murder, the State is attempting to prove the case that Zimmerman following Martin constitutes a "deliberate act" that led to Martin's death, and that Zimmerman's a-holes and f-king punks comments evince a depraved mind.

Except that, Zimmerman "following" is not a deliberate act that caused Martin's death. Essentially: the State appears to be attempting to prove involuntary manslaughter for a second-degree murder charge.

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Let's hope, kbp!

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You're not dim; you're smart enough to be posting here.

The answer is that there is no evidence it is raining. Serino would have to speculate to answer.

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Serino said Trayvon was armed with the concrete. When Bernie asked Serino is he was removed from the case, doesn't that open the door to what happened regarding Corey?

11:04 a.m.
O’Mara asks if blood would be expected after Paramedics had cleaned him up.

Serino says no.

O’Mara asks if where blood would go from a nose bleed for someone lying on the ground.

O’Mara asks if the attempt to suffocate could be momentary. Serino says yes.

O’Mara finishes.

De la Rionda is also limited. He says he is going to only ask a few.

De la Rionda asks if it could be raining, but if it would be speculation.

Serino says yes.

De la Rionda finishes questioning.

Serino is excused but subject to recall.

Court is in recess for 15 minues.

11:01 a.m.
De la Rionda asks if there was blood evidence on the victim’s hands. Serino says no.

De la Rionda demonstrates hitting toward Serino and asks if there was blood on Zimmerman’s hands.

Serino says no.

De la Rionda asks him about a law for individuals going into 7-Eleven with a hoodie. Serino says that aren’t any.

De la Rionda asks if Serino had phone records from Martin and Jeantel.

Serino says no.

O'Mara rises to re-cross as Judge Nelson says she will give five minutes for it.

10:57 a.m.
O’Mara asks if the medical examiner’s report was consistent with Zimmerman’s story. Serino says yes. O’Mara points out the gap between the shirt and

Martin’s chest and asks if that supports that Martin was leaning over Zimmerman when the shot was fired.

“It did,” Serino says.

O’Mara asks if the report supports the contention that Zimmerman pressed the gun against Martin’s chest. Serino says no.

O’Mara asks if Serino has seen the 7-Eleven video. Serino says he has seen still photos.

O’Mara asks if the 7-Eleven still did not show the described “skinny” kid. Serino says no.

O’Mara asks if there was a height differential. Serino says yes.

O’Mara asks about reach differential. Serino says yes, defining it as the measure of the arms.

O’Mara finishes questioning.

De la Rionda re-directs.

He asks if people get taller after they die. Serino says no.

De la Rionda asks if Serino is contesting that Martin was 5 feet and 11 inches tall, according to the medical examiner. Serinio says no.

De la Rionda asks if Serino is saying it is against the law to wear a hoodie at night. Serino says no.

De la Rionda asks if Zimmerman ever took out his own phone and videotaped what was happening.

De la Rionda mentions the awning and slim jim. He asks if there is evidence it was ever used as a slim jim. Serino says no.

Serino says he would defer to a medical examiner’s findings.

Serino says he recalls his research of Zimmerman’s calls mentioning black males.

De la Rionda asks him about the expletives said and Zimmerman saying it under his breath.

De la Rionda asks if Serino reads comics and knows of the bubble caption and Zimmerman following Martin.

10:47 a.m.
O’Mara asks about the screams heard in the 911 call. Serino says he interpreted it as one voice.

O’Mara asks if someone could have had their hand on his nose and mouth, but just not enough to prevent screaming. Serino says yes.

There could’ve been screams muffled not heard on the recording, Serino says.

O’Mara asks about the video walk-through and the numbers seen on Lauer’s home.

O’Mara mentions a tree that might’ve blocked Zimmerman’s view.

O’Mara asks if anyone ever asked Zimmerman why he didn’t look at the numbers on Lauer’s house.

Serino says no.

O’Mara asks if that seemed like active deception.

Serino says the fact that he couldn’t remember three streets was concerning.

10:39 a.m.
O’Mara asks about De la Rionda’s question about Martin being armed. He asks Serino if he considers, assuming Zimmerman’s statement is accurate,

Martin armed himself with concrete.

Serino says yes.

O’Mara asks about Zimmerman saying there were people victimizing the neighborhood, asking Serino if he thought there was a basis for that.

Serino says he doesn’t know about the number of burglaries and would have to refresh his memories to check if it was a “rash of burglaries or crime spree.”

O’Mara asks about the burglaries being when someone is not at home. O’Mara asks if Serino is aware of the woman who had to hide while men robbed her home. Serino says yes.

O’Mara asks about Serino’s bluff of the victim having video of what happened and if Zimmerman seemed “smug.”

He asks if Zimmerman added that he hoped the homeowner’s association had added a camera to the back area of the clubhouse. Serino says yes.

“He seemed to be very open to having something video,” Serino says.

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Excellent analysis, Chip. Thank you.

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I think the SPD is going to come down on Serino because of his testimony and that's why he has an attorney. You can't fire someone for telling the truth under oath, but they could fire him for something else as a cover.

Police have pretty strong unions, mbtb. It's difficult to fire someone without a lot of good cause. I think hiring an attorney was about fear of an internal affairs investigation regarding leaks or similar; or for personal liability, either civil or maybe, though much less likely, criminal.

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I understood it to be that Nelson sustained an objection and struck the LAST question asked ...even though that LAST question was from the previous day. I suspect the Motion is ignored, though the case law cited was available to use.

Witness: Mark Osterman

11:23 a.m.
The state calls Mark Osterman to the stand. He works for the U.S. air marshal agency. He says he has known Zimmerman for at least five years. He calls him the best friend he's ever had.

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We keep being reminded of our own Devil's Advocate discussion here!

Osterman needs to STICK to the facts... and not elaborate with his own interpretation of why!!!!


In fact.... Osterman should have shut up altogether from the start

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Thanks, kbp. I suppose it's possible, given the length of time, West could have typed something up or assigned to a paralegal, and it could have been printed and delivered to the court. Or possibly, there is a public printer in the law library or something. It just seems very quick for it to be the issue discussed this morning that MOM requested time to research, iykwim.

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