The Traybots are wild about this article...they are loving it.

http://thefeministwire.com/2013/06/wall ... ense-team/

What size are Trayvon's pants? Shoes?

Attorney Jeralyn Merritt at http://www.talkleft.com wrote a few articles about the trial last week, particularly about #8. Rather than list them separately, just scroll down the home page to see if there are any you've missed. There was some stuff about #8 that I hadn't heard in this one: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/6/26 ... r-Close-Up

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If you didn't find it here, I'd try http://www.talkleft.com or if you've got a lot of time on your hands, http://www.scholar.google.com is free. You'll probably have to do a lot of reading to find a case on point. I'd select Florida courts, then a search query including 776 at least, maybe OR 776.012, and add whatever other words you're looking for, such as "stagger" or "straddle" or whatever. Good luck and be sure to bring it back here if you find one!

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Good question.

Rather than struggle any longer with case details, I'll do what I should have done in the first place......


I DEFER TO DIWATAMAN

http://diwataman.wordpress.com/my-posts ... rman-case/

He has EVERY case detail you ever wanted to know (but were too afraid to ask)

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I hope that is more sincere than sarcastic (though it must be partially the latter; is it even possible for FBI to knock on hundreds - if not thousands - of doors?).

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"That the attacker sustained a mortal wound is a matter that should have been considered by the deceased before he committed himself to the task he undertook." - 5th DCA, Stinson v. State (Fl)

I measured about 35 feet. It's really not hard to bring up GoogleEarth, zoom in on the scene, and make a very reasonable estimate.



The frustration comes from continually arguing a false predicate. Martin's body wound up about 35 feet from the location the altercation started. That distance is entirely plausible in the context of Zimmerman's statement that Martin hit Zimmerman, then Zimmerman staggered, trying to keep Martin off of him while moving south, but eventually fell to the ground, where Martin mounted him.

Further: the importance of the 35-foot distance pales in comparison to the importance of the 380 foot distance from the location the altercation started to Brandi Green's home - especially in light of Rachel Jeantel's helpful on-stand clarification that Martin was not only *literally* right by Brandi Green's home, when she reconnected her phone call to him at 7:12:06. If Martin was *literally* right by Brandi Green's home at 7:12:06 (at which time Zimmerman still had 1:34 remaining on his NEN call), what was he doing 380 feet away, back at the sidewalk "T" where the altercation started, some two and a half minutes later? And Why did Rachel Jeantel say that, after reaching Brandi Green's home, Martin continued to walk (she could hear the wind), and was talking low? Where was he going, and why was he being quiet? Did Rachel Jeantel overhear Martin surreptitiously walking from Brandi Green's home back up toward the sidewalk "T", to confront Zimmerman?

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"That the attacker sustained a mortal wound is a matter that should have been considered by the deceased before he committed himself to the task he undertook." - 5th DCA, Stinson v. State (Fl)

I think BDLR is going to argue that GZ planted the keys and tiny flashlight near the T after the shooting.

My point is that a NUMBER is something that may seem important ... especially if filling out a form with a column labelled "Distances"

But sometimes all you need to do is look and engage your brain... the fight started near the T and ended outside second unit.

It actually CONFUSES the issue to be hung up on numbers... which is exactly why Traybots keep resorting to fuzzy Math to come up with a larger number. It STILL does not change the situation ..

Start at T end outside John's door.


Exact numbers of feet and inches do NOT add to understanding the situation. BUT if for some reason you want them... then they are available on the diagram I posted in the reference thread.

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...an absurdity already helpfully refuted by State's witnesses Jonathan Manolo and Selma Mora.

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"That the attacker sustained a mortal wound is a matter that should have been considered by the deceased before he committed himself to the task he undertook." - 5th DCA, Stinson v. State (Fl)

BDLR did seem to be highlighting the testimony about GZ pacing back and forth?

It's a bit of a stretch to propose that GZ in a split second after a traumatic event, thought up a cunning plan to plant minor evidence items?

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Has anyone seen or heard from Crump since he was banished from the courtroom?

He probably sat in on the remedial English lessons that they ran for Rachel... ahead of his own testimony at deposition.

I wonder if they have deposed him yet? Surely they MUST this weekend?

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Is this reasonable?

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/ ... ubled-back

I'm also very skeptical that Rachel has given up posting and tweeting.

Seems good to me

The youtube audio no longer works, but the text states what is patently obvious..

I think West said in his opening that TM had time to travel between the T and Brandi's house about 4 times over.

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I found it, just looking through Florida case law for retreat and aggressor hehe. It was Jenkins vs State, 2006.

In it Jenkins was hit, and was 'wobbly and weak kneed' and the DCA agreed that was sufficient to have no avenue of retreat before the next attack.

Zimmerman -- some guesses on alternatives as to how it really happened.
copyright 2013 by jon gutmacher

OK . . . we've gone far enough into the trial to figure out the possible scenarios as to what "really" happened in the case. One way -- is exactly as George Zimmerman described -- and is really the ONLY evidence of how it happened from a legal standpoint. All the others are pure guesses -- or "speculation" -- and while they may be the "real way" it happened -- they are NOT things the jury can consider -- because they're neither evidence, or inferences from the evidence. But, since we're all kind of curious -- here they are:

1. Zimmerman says he was attacked -- didn't do anything to start it -- that Trayvon came out of the dark, and confronted him, and then sucker punched him. From there it went downhill. Totally consistent with the evidence -- and a "not guilty".

2. Zimmerman freaked out Trayvon who kept trying to lose him. [This is not only consistent with the evidence -- but is the evidence]. Trayvon thinks he's finally lost Zimmerman -- and SURPRISE!!! Zimmerman is right behind him. Trayvon asks "Why are you following me", and Zimmerman and he have a verbal exchange. [Also consistent with the evidence -- and is the evidence]

3. Take #2 to the next level: Zimmerman challenges Trayvon "What are you doing here?", and Trayvon tells him to go to hell. Trayvon has every right to do that. Zimmerman persists, or maybe even grabs him trying to keep him there until the cops arrive -- Trayvon tries to break away, or slugs Zimmerman, and the fight's begun. In that case -- Zimmerman would have zero right to keep Trayvon there, and Trayvon would have the right to use force to escape. If this was the scenario -- Zimmerman would be guilty of manslaughter, as he would not likely have had a right of self defense being the "aggressor". However, like I previously said. There's NO evidence of this, and there is nothing to support it. If it happened that way -- nobody but Zimmerman will ever know. Even if you don't believe Zimmerman -- you still have NOTHING to show any other scenario happened other than Trayvon was beating him up on the ground.

So . . . there are the possibilities. And, no matter how you slice it -- because of the current evidence there is only one possible legal verdict -- NOT GUILTY. That should have been evident from the start. If gun owners should take anything from this -- it should be that just because you have a firearm doesn't authorize you to take stupid risks, or act on assumptions that can be 100% wrong. That's why we have law enforcement. It wasn't Zimmerman's home. He wasn't a cop. And, if not for the gun -- he would not have taken the risk in the first place. As a result -- he could have gotten killed -- but instead, some kid coming home from 7-11 got killed instead. Both likely thinking the other was committing a crime, or about to. What a waste of a life!

[You may post this article anywhere you like so long as the title and my copyright appear at its beginning]

They have no evidence to present, so they are going with wild BS. They were going to present a lunatic to tell the jury about imaginary voices in his head.

The worry I have in the back of my mind is what I saw in the Anthony case.

After one side spent weeks presenting evidence that showed clearly what happened, Baez popped up with a fantasy alternative:
"On a dark and stormy night morning...... George Anthony used to force poor little child, Casey to suck his penis before school......" no evidence at all... not even a complete story, just an opening line, then jump to a paragraph on "what if Caylee got ouside by herself, ran to the pool, jumped in and drowned?" (In effect I guess Caylee committed suicide).... no attempt to explain what happened next, let alone what happened over the following days with a decaying corpse in Casey's car, let alone the next Month when Casey partied and made up bizarre stories about where Caylee was. The jury went for that rather than the complete thrilling, factual story that the other side had spent weeks presenting.... with proof at every stage.

So.... I worry about Closing Statements. That was really ALL that Baez used to get a result. In this case since it's a Prosecution side I am worried about... it's worse.. they get an extra, spare, lucky, last, last say. Closing argument from each side and then a final rebuttal from the State. At which time.. all bets are off.... Bernie may say anything.

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