I love it....

Thanks, Taurus!

For the pjs I missed and for reference during the next round:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zi ... ext-round/

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Posting on this board through this jury selection has been a great experience. Too bad more aren't aware of how pleasant it is.

Thanks. Sorry about the problem.

It is a problem I can do nothing more about. It is some sites only.

I myself have to work around... not copy.. or "fix" text as I suggest.

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I have to log off about i:30 for a Remegade treatment, keep good notes liesel. So appreciated.

Back....but...... sidebar

DRINK

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STILL BERNIE!!!


Group questions (and some more individual qu. Bernie says)

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Understood. Again, thanks for checking.

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Was it me, or did Bernie say that a reasonable doubt means: "You have to have a reason for a doubt"

I DO NOT see how this tirade from Bernie helps us get ANY closer to picking Jurors....

It's full of rhetorical questions.. like a school teacher he gets the "class" to mumble affirmation... a COMPLETE waste of time.

It is a mini (simplistic) version of Judge instructions to Jury... that will be done later... to the select 10 Jurors

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Agree - this is a huge waste of time. I wonder if ever in the entire history of this process if this has ever resulted in any pj responding, "Nope. Disagree, can't be fair, etc."

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Only possible purpose is to try to educate them on what they're supposed to do.

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I have an issue with "guilty" or "innocent." It's "guilty" or "not proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt."

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Thanks Taurus.


So go TELL everyone

Covering live hearings is something I have been doing for 5 years.

I see "some places" are making a "pigs mess" of it. Inane chatter, often off topic.. and no update of what is happening... screen shots verboten because of their shonky (overloaded) server hosting can no cope.

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I think in British (US) law you are Guilty or innocent.


Scottish law (I believe has a 3rd "not proven" result)... and I think France has something a bit weird?

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12:00 p.m.
De la Rionda asks B-35 about what can be considered evidence.

De la Rionda says sympathy cannot be considered in deliberations.

He adds that bias should also not play a role in rendering a verdict.

He addresses B-63. “People have biases, wouldn’t you agree?” he asks.

B-63 says “That’s not relevant to the facts of what happened” in answer to the line of questioning.

De La Rionda addresses Juror M-75 about possible penalties. He says it should not play a role in arriving at a verdict.

He addresses B-37. “How did you know I was going to pick on you?” De la Rionda asks jokingly.

De la Rionda explains the concept of circumstantial evidence. He uses an example of his kids once breaking a cookie jar, but no one saw it happen. He was able to tell which one did it by seeing crumbs around their mouth.

Juror I-35 shares an experience where he had to determine who made a mess in the kitchen.

“Circumstantial evidence is just as good as direct evidence,” De la Rionda says.

De la Rionda asks who doesn’t watch the television show “CSI.” About 10 or so raise their hands.

B-7 also asks about “Law and Order.” He asks “Does everybody understand that’s not the real world?”

11:50 a.m.
De la Rionda addresses the group of jurors. He asks if they can give the state of Florida and the defendant a fair trial.

He says it is the state’s burden to prove a crime was committed and the defendant is the person that did it.

“A reasonable doubt is not a forced doubt,” he says, adding there must be a reason for the doubt.

He repeatedly asks “Does everybody understand that?”

He asks if they all understand that Zimmerman is “presumed to be innocent.”

He says the court will give instructions for how to “render a verdict.”

He says the law also says they should not speculate, adding that they must rely on the evidence.

He says he is stressing those points because we’ve all grown up with TV and clarifies, “there’s real world and TV.”

He addresses Juror B-35.

11:41 a.m.
The jurors are on their way back into the courtroom.

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Did Bernie just say.... speaking about bringing in opinions....

"People don't live on a island... they are not HERMANS"


I think he meant "Hermits"..... maybe Herman's Hermits (for older readers)

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The verdict will be either guilty or not guilty.

Sometimes people are acquitted even though jurors say they believed the defendant was guilty but they say the prosecution didn't prove the guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. OJ and Casey Anthony jurors come to mind.

Think about any US verdicts you're heard announced live.

Yes, the presumption is innocence, but framing a verdict that way seems to put a burden on the defendant to prove innocence. Yes, I know in this case that's pretty much the way too many view it. However, as a general rule the state either proved the case beyond a reasonable doubt or they didn't. Guilty or not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Bernie does remind me a bit of Henry VIII... (she said, admitting she is old enough to remember Herman's Hermits.)




edit to add I - 8 not 7!

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12:10 p.m.
Juror E-6 asks a question. She asks about circumstantial evidence.

De la Rionda addresses B-29 about the TV shows. She says she likes the real world.

De la Rionda says there has also been an increase in “real lawyer-type shows.” He cites Larry King as an example.

He addresses Juror I-5. The juror says he has watched them, but questions the integrity.

De la Rionda addresses B-61. She agrees that she can disregard commentators because they might have a special interest.

De la Rionda mentions Juror B-37 is married to an attorney. He asks how people feel about attorneys, mentioning commercials on TV.

He says he realizes people come into the courtroom with opinions. He asks how to make sure people consider the evidence and don’t interject their opinions.

He addresses Juror E-73. She says that it is tough. De la Rionda addresses the juror sitting next to her.

“If they said they had an opinion, I don’t know how you guarantee how you do that,” the juror said.

De la Rionda asks another juror.

“You gentlemen know how to profile a jury,” the juror says. “You’re looking for the people that are going to be the fairest.”

De la Rionda asks the group if they can do that.

No one responds.

He asks Juror H-6 how that can happen.

"I know as myself I can do my best to keep my bias out of it," Juror H-6 says.

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