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YT vids of today's hearing are posted at end of hearing thread


HEARING: Various Matters 6-7-13 (Frye Continued)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:50 pm 
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New Recording of Travyon Martin's Voice Emerges

New video from slain teen's cellphone reveals his voice publicly for first time.

02:39 | 06/07/2013

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/trayvon ... y-19346403


I wonder if now this voice can be compared to the scream. ABC must have more of his voice on the video, no?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:18 pm 
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As mentioned in Daily Daft thread.... Bigboi has a problem...

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Oh dear.... bigboi can't do her daily snark about GZ's curfew time at 6PM :)

I doubt she can stave off the alcohol coma long enough to do it at 10PM :)


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It is safe for intelligent, informed, sane people to discuss the GZ case on twitter... for a few hours. :cool

Rumpole, you are a hoot. :Gslap


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:32 pm 
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I am just using repetition, images, etc to "retaliate imprint"

I guess that makes me the "Anti-Julison" :lol

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Tara @ CTH:
Doesn’t it seem odd that a man’s life depends on the results from a 1.0 version of software with “EZ” in the name?

After LMAO, it then hit me that George's freedom was at stake. Then the humor was lost, it was just OMG.


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I think you can discuss any case seriously and have real concerns for the rel people involved...

...but also post in a more light hearted way. Certainly have some fun with the antics from the opposing side.. and of course..... belly laughs from some of the Morons online who post the same uninformed drivel about every case.

Even guys can "Multi-task" (at a pinch)... and manage both serious discussion, as well as the more ribald stuff :95


RT is a general discussion forum, with no pretensions of being a totally serious, dedicated legal or crime reference. :)

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More detail than one would ever want to know about Dr. Nakasone's testimony from Legal Insurrection: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zi ... udio-file/


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More detail than one would ever want to know about Dr. Nakasone's testimony from Legal Insurrection: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zi ... udio-file/


Alternatively, you can get a 5 litre box of cheap wine and listen several hundred times until you start hearing voices.


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Thanks WoR....

The point of Dr N testimony ultimately is to confirm that the sample from 911 is NOT sufficient for ANYBODY to do a proper scientific analysis.

Unfortunately that does not preclude people from trying. Dr N is a great rebuttal witness for the States witnessses, but I do not think his testimony counters the methodology used.

The methodology of the two State experts is within the norm and do I think Nelson will approve.

This is VERY unfortunate because even though their testimony can, and will be questioned as to their conclusions,it is there to put doubt in juror's minds. Both "experts" I would describe as "Shonky". They start with an unsuitable sample and so whatever they claim is nonsense. GIGO.

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John_Galt wrote:

Alternatively, you can get a 5 litre box of cheap wine and listen several hundred times until you start hearing voices.


Ah ... yes... known as the "JQ Analysis Method"

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From TalkLeft Forum.............
http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/to ... #msg110500

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One of the defense experts is Dr. James Wayman. He blasted Owen and Pineau when their opinions first came out. He is a San Jose State University professor in the field of speech science with some heavy credentials.

The judge reviewed the emails to see if anything in them amounted to an opinion or conclusion -- it's not that they haven't provided opinions, just that the state thought the emails would contain opinions which would make them discoverable and the Judge said they do not, so they are not subject to discovery.

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James Wayman PhD, Office of Research and Graduate Studies, San Jose State University, San Jose, California. SJSU served as the U.S. National Biometric Test Center from 1997-2000, with Dr. Wayman as the director, reporting to the Clinton administration through the Security Policy Board. Prior to his current position, he was a full-time researcher for the Department of Defense in the areas of technical security and biometrics. He also invented and developed a biometric system based on the acoustic resonance of the human head. Dr. Wayman holds four patents in speech processing; is co-editor of Biometric Systems with Jain, Maltoni, and Maio (Springer-Verlag, 2005); and is the author of dozens of articles in books, peer-reviewed technical journals, and conference proceedings on biometrics, speech compression, image processing, and network control. He is a "Principal U.K. Expert" and Working Group 1 Head for Delegation for the British Standards Institute national body to the international standards committee SC37 on biometrics; editor of ISO/IEC 19794-13 "Voice Data Format"; Fellow of the UK IET; contractor to the U.S. DoD and FBI; Honorary Professor of Biometrics, University of Kent; and member of the National Research Council Committee "Whither Biometrics?", the NRC Panel for Information Technology, and the former NRC committee on "Authentication Technologies and their Privacy Implications." He has been a paid advisor on biometrics to nine national governments on five continents.

Dr. Peter French is another defense expert.
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Prof Peter French (Director) is President of the International Association for Forensic Phonetics and Acoustics, a Fellow of the International Society for Phonetic Sciences, a Member of the International Association of Forensic Linguists and a Fellow of the Institute of Acoustics. He is Honorary Professor in the Department of Language and Linguistic Science at the University of York. As one of the world's most experienced experts in the field of forensic speech, language and audio analysis, he carries out work on forensic phonetics, linguistics, sound enhancement and the authentication of recordings.

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The third defense expert is G.R. Doddington, who seems to a pioneer in the field of speech recognition. A ton of other experts, NIST, NATO, U. S. military and universities around the world still cite his work. He must be retired because he has no current website.

Zimmerman's experts are definitely impressive.



Of course being Jeralyn she has embedded links to all of the information on the three witness for tomorrows continuation of the

FryeHearingFrmHell!

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I got to watch off and on today before work. Nelson gave the Defense some treats today :eek :eek She must have been having a good hair day.

I actually felt sorry for Dr. Reich. I know there were technological issues but he really came across poorly. I was all set to have a fit of giggles over him and could not bring myself to do it.


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Does 911 tape prove George Zimmerman acted in self-defense? Experts claim they are HIS screams - NOT Trayvon Martin's - on dramatic recording

  • Exclusive ABC News evaluation reveals that the voice heard screaming for help on 911 call is George Zimmerman and not Trayvon Martin
  • Attorney had yesterday requested confidential testimony as some witnesses said they were concerned for their safety
  • But judge rejected request after arguments from media and prosecutors
  • Zimmerman's trial for 2012 murder of Trayvon Martin starts next week


By Daily Mail Reporter and James Nye
PUBLISHED: 16:21 GMT, 7 June 2013 | UPDATED: 19:22 GMT, 7 June 2013

An independent audio expert believes that George Zimmerman is most likely the harrowing voice screaming for help in the crucial 911 call made seconds before Trayvon Martin was shot dead.

As attorney's convene back in court in Florida today to continue a hearing to determine whether jurors will even listen to the phone call - this new revelation significantly bolsters Zimmerman's claim of self-defense.

ABC News exclusively obtained a sample of the distressing emergency call - which could prove pivotal once the trial of 29-year-old Zimmerman begins - and sent it to Kent Gibson of Forensic Audio.

In his expert opinion, a comparison of Martin's voice, Zimmerman's voice and the screaming on the 911 call indicate that the voice is 'more likely to be Zimmerman than Martin by a significant margin.'

ABC News explained they were able to finally make their startling but qualified judgement on the identity of the voice after they exclusively obtained a recording of Trayvon Martin's voice.

To ID any audio, forensic experts need samples of both Zimmerman and Martin's voice - and ABC provided their expert with a cellphone recording of Martin laughing and talking about two men arguing over a bike.

However, he adds the disclaimer that there is so much howling and pleading on the tape that only two seconds are usable in his opinion - therefore he says, there is no definitive identification of 'the screamer'.


BBM

....more at link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rding.html

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So... the AUDIO is from the infamous Homeless guys/bike video.


And the Traybots thought ALL that Defence discovery stuff was only put out to besmirch the reputation of little Trayvon.

No wonder Bernie hid it. Why isn't Bernie facing criminal charges?

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Trayvon Martin's Voice Courtesy Diwataman


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Yup. Nelson might be doing them a favor if she found them in criminal contempt. Might afford double jeopardy protection against obstruction of justice charges.


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APPEALS COURT SPANKS ZIMMERMAN JUDGE
Exclusive: Jack Cashill covers latest blow to state's case built on lying witness


http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/appeals-cour ... man-judge/

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I think you can discuss any case seriously and have real concerns for the rel people involved...

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I have no problems at all with what is posted here. My point was the overall case makes you want to scream & cry because it is happening in OUR country, while often at the same time it keeps observers rolling in laughter at how various parts of it are happening, leaving us on a roller coaster.


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