It will be interesting to see how she decides and on what basis. She has already said that a person's propensity for violence is relevant. We don't know yet what the defense has as evidence that they want to put in.

It is obvious that they have to give the jury some type of reason why Mr. Martin behaved as he did that night. It isn't normal to attack someone just because they are following you. I don't think the reasoning that he was raised in a bad neighborhood would be justification any more than someone trying to use alcohol as a reason for antisocial behavior.

So much about the scheme team and persecution gameplan has been piecemeal, house of cards, and smoke and mirrors.

When they pulled Deedee out of Crump's rump they did what they had to do to disrupt the process of it getting to grand jury, and save their hopes of a big payout. They manufactured a witness (even if she really was on the phone with him) and weren't thinking ahead to a time when any real scrutiny was applied to her.

Then when it comes to BLDR and AC, you've got people who put together an absolutely absurd PCA (thanks for the acronym Chip) that had no substance to it.

What does this all indicate to me? I think their entire strategy was founded on the assumption that George would plea out.

I think his refusal to play ball, and cooperate in his own railroading, and to be cowed into taking a plea by all the weight of the state they brought against him, and his wife... and the GPS tracking and all of that, which I believe was all calculated as an intimidation play to get a plea out of him... and what' worse, I believe that BLDR and AC who are well versed in the evidence of this case and in the law, did all of this to a man they KNOW is innocent. They can't not know it. That basically makes them monsters, btw. Let's not lose sight of what it says about them and their ethics that, knowing full well the law and the evidence... they're still trying to put a man they KNOW to be innocent away for decades. Truly disgusting. They don't even have the excuse of being black and letting the racial/emotional angle skew their ability to look at it objectively. Not that that is much of an excuse anyway... but at least it'd be something.

Now, George's refusal to plea speaks to me of exactly the same thing which his absurd levels of unguarded candor and cooperation with police did... I think this all points very strongly to a man who quite simply knows he did absolutely nothing wrong. Knows he never chased Trayvon, or did anything which could incite any remotely reasonable person to do what Trayvon did. He knows he's innocent. That's why he gave the police everything they could possibly ask for, without counsel.

Think about it, two voice stress tests, like 5 interviews, scream reenactment, on scene walkthrough mere hours after the event, was even ready to drive to Jacksonville to meet his new persecutors... then gets up on the stand to answer Sybrina's questions and exposes himself to cross in the process. These simply are not the actions of a guilty man.

If you go back and watch his voice stress test interviews and other interviews, much of what he answers is without any hesitation, complete confidence in his own innocence... like when he talks about how he wasn't concerned about walking over there because he thought Trayvon was long gone. I really believe he thought that. It was only when he got increasingly exhausted and repeatedly questioned about the fine minutiae of exact moments in the most hectic minutes of his life that he started to show signs of frustration and I think that was mostly frustration at his own memory's limitations... all completely understandable. He was completely open and honest with the police, even honest enough to say "wow that doesn't even sound like me screaming" an expression of honest, off the cuff reaction any of us would have in such a situation. It would be surreal for any of us to hear our own terrified screams, and none of us would NOT think it sounded weird / not like us. He only felt comfortable being that honest because he knew it WAS him and didn't even consider that the cops would question that (which honestly, they really didn't.)

Again, I believe the whole strategy was predicated on him taking a plea and I think that will help us understand some of the weird actions the prosecution takes from here on out.

If this entire half-baked, illegal, and wildly unethical attempt to send an innocent man to prison for defending himself ends up being successful... it says some amazingly depressing things about the state of our nation its legal system.

I agree. This case isn't like many cases I remember. Many people supporting the prosecution this time are ones who normally support the criminals. It is a balancing act for them - they still get to bash police by degrading the Sanford Police Department while simultaneously praising law enforcement connected to the new prosecution group. Old habits die hard. LOL

I just hope by the end of the case we get an understanding of why both Mr. Martin and the girl he was talking to deviated from normal behavior patterns that night. Their reactions to what we do know isn't even close to what anyone else would do.

I've never understood this sort of blind loyalty thing. This must be why I've never been a sports fan or anything (no offense to any who are) - I just don't naturally have that wiring.

In the video game world I run into a lot of people who are slavish "fanboys" and loyalists to certain brands, Nintendo/Sega used to be a big conflict, now you've got Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo etc... I've always just bought all the systems, ha, but even if I was someone who couldn't afford to do that... I would never get into some sort of competition. I just don't have brand loyalty to that extent...

So, when it comes to court cases I'm not a huge follower but I have gotten pretty interested in a couple. OJ when I was 14, Casey Anthony was the biggest one for me, I pay a slight amount of attention to the Jordan Davis/Michael Dunn thing... well, I should've said Casey Anthony was the biggest for me til the Zimmerman thing. I didn't pay a lick of attention to the Jodi Arias thing for whatever reason, or Natalie Holloway, etc...

I don't understand people being in certain "camps" like seems to be the case. The only camp I'm in is an interest in the truth and the law being honored. Whatever side that ends up putting me on, and no matter what relation it puts me in toward the defense, the prosecution, the cops... doesn't matter to me. The races of the parties involved don't matter to me.

When it comes to what you said about Deedee's behavior, you may enjoy this video I made about that:

My understanding is that the Dee Dee fairy tale "deviated from normal behavior patterns" because it was fabricated for the purpose of getting GZ arrested for purposes of financial gain, rather than constituting an accurate account of real events. I doubt we will be hearing from Dee Dee at the criminal trial.

Holy cow, that's BS!!!!!

Absolutely! Beautifully said.

I would be a good juror for this case, I have NO idea what is going on.
Someone shot someone else.

This covers exactly why I don't think she was being truthful. Also, when they said it was only when they found the phone log that they realized she was the last person he talked to. I can't believe that she heard what she says she heard, then would hear that he had been shot that night and not be able to realize it happened around the same time as their conversation.

I was anxious to see how the defense would handle this and if there were phone records/social media, etc. showing that she was reacting that night to something scary.

That's what I kind of believed too. It's a shame that Crump orchestrated this because it was always so frustrating that the only time that wasn't documented that night either by Mr. Zimmerman's phone call or the 911 call was that period of time right before the shot.

There will always be a question of what really occurred because she isn't to be believed and Mr. Zimmerman would have a reason to slant the story to his benefit. I have always fallen on his side of the events because most of what he said was contemporaneous to the event and at that time he had no idea what background the 911 calls would pick up.

Some of the comments made me laugh and I can't decide which one I liked best.

Somewhere along the line, I am wondering if preventing a witness from testifying is really Serino and not W8. Someone over at TL mentioned that and when I reread it kind of made sense.

In the end, I really don't expect the Prosecution to call W8. A lot of what she says actually coincides with GZ's narrative. And then they would have to show that she can't be trusted due to her misrepresentations about her age and the hospital.

The one thing I don't think I will ever understand about the age thing...why didn't BDLR check her ID before taking her sworn statement? It doesn't make sense that they would take a statement based on the word of another. The attorney that told the world about "the minor child" and how they needed to protect her.

The hospital I do understand.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/05/ ... g_lie.html

You'll want to read the article by Jack Cashill - "Chip Bennett" makes the first sentence.


Team Trayvon's Big Lie [Witness #8, Saint Skittles' "Girlfriend"]
American Thinker ^ | 5/13/13 | Jack Cashill

... "She connects the dots," Crump told the media excitedly. "She completely blows Zimmerman's absurd defense claim out of the water." According to Crump, the heavy-set, twenty-eight year old "loose cannon" had no intention of going back to his truck. He pursued Martin and shot him down. Dee Dee heard it all. The witnesses confirmed her testimony. Cried the outraged Crump at the end of his presentation, "Arrest George Zimmerman for the killing of Trayvon Martin in cold blood today."

Crump got his point across. Gutman headlined his piece on ABC.com, "Trayvon Martin's Last Phone Call Triggers Demand for Arrest Right Now." ABC's Diane Sawyer introduced Gutman's TV piece, which hammered the Sanford Police Department for its many presumed failings, by referring to Zimmerman as the "neighborhood watchdog." The piece closed with a photo of a young Martin hugging a baby.

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Puzzler - that which puzzles or perplexes; anything that arouses curiosity or perplexes because it is unexplained, inexplicable or secret.

"While watching George Zimmerman's immunity hearing online in late April 2013, Chip Bennett took satisfaction seeing Florida prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda flail away at the one blog that has given him fits from the beginning. "BDLR alleges that The Conservative Treehouse doxed Witness 8," Bennett commented. "Double shot!"

By "Double shot," Bennett meant "doubly cool." "


You mean it's not a new drinking game?

No, that was definitely a drinking game reference.

Sometimes, the best response to Alinksy tactics is in-kind Alinsky tactics.

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I was just making a funny, but now it sounds like the article got something wrong, or at least failed to get something right.

Wow!!!!! Click Orlando is a flood with pro George posters and they are slamming the few Trayvonites left. Got to love it.

Just whipped this image up. I realize they said they thought a couple of the earlier utterances were Trayvon (I think they're wrong) but I'll let the Trayvonites make their own arguments. I found these findings to be interesting.

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Report appears incomplete. No identification of calls (e.g. what exactly are calls 11, 13, 14, 16?) referenced figures not included. Referenced samples and referenced calls not included.

http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0513/05 ... cation.pdf

I found that Alan Reich report amusing.

He talks about Zimmerman saying

"d'ya think I'm crazy here?" at the start of the call with NEN

"Dear God" and "but not on me" near the "these assholes always get away" portion.

Trayvon supposedly saying "I'm begging you"

and most amusingly George saying "These shall be" which he describes as "a seemingly religious proclamation"

Is Alan R. Reich really this stupid and/or nuts?

Are you all familiar with EVP? Electronic Voice Phenomenon. It's the "Phenomenon" of idiots who think they can hear ghosts if they listen to the same segment of a recording 400 times until they hear something, and they're going into it WANTING to hear something.

I'm reminded of that here. Just like Ed Primeau with his "In my mind's eye, I could envision Zimmerman disobeying the dispatch and chasing this unarmed Skittle-bearing infant... it was all so clear to me!" (Paraphrased)

This is yet another example of how dangerous the false narrative that was created by Crump, Julison, and the media early on was. It also gives us all a really good reminder of how vulnerable we as human beings are to suggestion, confirmation bias, and Salem witch-trial type piling on.

Here's a little video of people who actually believe in EVP giving an example of how they falsely latch onto stuff



Now, I will say that if "I'm begging you" was said, it was said by George. But I mostly think the cries out there were pretty much unintelligible, desperate and pained. the injuries prove the screams were George's, end of story.

We have always known that George was pleading with W-6 to help him... "I'm begging you" fits within that statement precisely.

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