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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:59 pm 
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From the documents posted at GZ Legal Defence Site


Reply to State's Response to Defendant's Notice of Production
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/document ... sponse.pdf

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“While the State has the ability to toss as wide a net as it wishes into waters chopped up by storms created by racial innuendo and political pressure, it cannot drown within that net a criminal defendant’s constitutional rights to prepare an appropriate trial and to defend himself against that tide.”


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“It is interesting to note that the State first sought and received copies of Mr. Zimmerman's high school records without any notice to Mr. Zimmerman that such was being accomplished. Yet, when the same exact documents are requested regarding Trayvon Martin, the State denigrates the request as a fishing expedition. The irony is rich.”

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Gladys and Robert Zimmerman on Piers Morgan were calm and genuine... despite some asinine and loaded questions from the host.

Gladys had the good sense to decline answering some questions related to the case.

One especially silly question was the old "how would you feel if the roles were reversed and Trayvon shot George"

Eh? That is just plain silly... a Hypothetical like that does not make sense as posed... did he mean if George was a troubled teen suspended from school three times, smoking dope and attacking a stranger? You can't just simply reverse one person for the other.... it makes no sense.

And then... having laboured the point about GZ being racist... silly Morgan had an inane segway of... well he is not racist but perhaps subliminally he was? Eh? That makes even LESS sense .. and Morgan said... we can never know if he was or not????? So why make such a stupid thing up in the first place?

They can’t let racial go. He is obviously NOT racist… so lets Imagine and make up a new thing… he MIGHT be a “Subliminal Racist”… these people are unbelievable. :31

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Crump: family took down Trayvon’s social media accounts after they were hacked

We know the accounts were taken down.... seems to me that is tampering with evidence?

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#TrayvonMartin’s Family Response To Motion for School Records and Social Media and Why Trayvon’s Facebook Page and Twitter was taken down after his Death.

“Trayvon’s parents maintain that his school records and Facebook page are completely irrelevant to George Zimmerman’s decision to get out of his car to profile, pursue, and shoot their son in the heart on February 26, 2012. How does George Zimmerman’s review of Trayvon Martin’s high school and middle school records and Facebook page bear any relevance to Zimmerman’s decision to pull the trigger and kill a seventeen year old child? Is this going to be a new legal standard we are setting- for a murderer to review the school records and Facebook page of his teenage victim to determine whether or not he should have killed him?”

After Trayvon’s death, there was a small group of hateful and racist people, who attempted to destroy his legacy, reputation, and image. These people hacked this dead youth’s social media accounts, his email account, and stooped as low as to plaster the internet with photoshopped and fake images purporting to be Trayvon. On the advice of counsel, and with the intent to preserve Trayvon’s public reputation, Trayvon Martin’s parents deactivated all of his electronic accounts.” – Staff

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That does sound like tampering with potential evidence to me... and "on the advice of council" means it was deliberate and CRUMP et al should have known better?

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Robert Zimmerman seems to have taken off the Kid Gloves....


Robert Zimmerman Jr@rzimmermanjr
@NatJackEsq - My Life's work = you WILL be held accountable for your words/actions. You A'INT seen NOTHIN' yet... I will see U disbarred.
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@NatJackEsq @attorneycrump @JulisonCom The Scheme will be exposed, one by one, day by day - SHAME on you.
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EDITED Clips from Piers Morgan Interview of Gladys Zimmerman (George's Mom)

Zimmerman's Mom: My son is not a racist. (Piers Morgan)





Zimmerman's Mom: I believe in Justice (Piers Morgan)


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This article from APRIL is turning out to be accurate in respect to NBC suit.. I think the rest will is likely too.


Zimmerman's Lawsuit Against Al Sharpton, NBC, and the Martin Family Attorneys
April 24, 2012

In a twist not even the best fiction writers could have seen coming, the Trayvon Martin case, instigated by a couple of shyster attorneys looking to make money from a tragedy, will reportedly end with George Zimmerman recovering legal damages from Al Sharpton, NBC, and the Trayvon Martin family attorneys, Daryl Parks and Benjamin Crump.

The first claim is likely to be intentional infliction of emotional distress (IIED). To be successful, Zimmerman will have to show that conduct of Al Sharpton and NBC was so extreme and outrageous that it transcended all bounds of decency; that they acted with either the purpose to cause Zimmerman extreme emotional distress or acted with reckless disregard for Zimmerman's emotional well being, and that Al Sharpton and NBC caused him identifiable emotional damage. Here, Al Sharpton publically claimed that Trayvon Martin was murdered and that George Zimmerman should be arrested for the crime.
...snip....

The second against Al Sharpton and NBC claim is likely to be twofold - defamation and the invasion of privacy.
...snip...

The third claim will be against the Martin family attorney whose professional malpractice brought a nation to the precipice of a race riot. It was attorney Benjamin Crump who contacted Al Sharpton.

...more at link
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Gladys Zimmerman did well on Piers. She held her own, even with his attempt to bait her into answering some of his "what if" and "what do you think" questions.

I wonder what the Martins/Fultons really feel/think about the Zimmermans? If what I believe TM was at the time of his death, a troubled teen who was pushing the limits, then they surely must have their doubts about TM's actions that night.


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Perhaps the Martins "know" in their hearts... but people can and do actually start to believe their own false narrative .. Cognitive dissonance at work... or perhaps delusion :24

It seems to me that both "parents" were somewhat unaware of what TM was really up to.. certainly the details and worst of it. THAT is perhaps the reason he was a "troubled teen" There was a lack of parental supervision.

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George Zimmerman’s brother’s media tour leads to Twitter tirade in Trayvon case

George Zimmerman’s brother Robert is on a media drive to clear his family’s name, and is vowing to have an attorney for Trayvon Martin’s family disbarred.

By Frances Robles
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Seven months after the killing of unarmed high school junior Trayvon Martin, the killer’s family is on a national media crusade to clear the family’s name.

What began as a series of routine media interviews denying that George Zimmerman is a racist blew up into a Twitter rant Monday night. Zimmerman’s brother, Robert Zimmerman Jr., took to social media after midnight and vowed to make it his life’s work to have one of the Martin family attorneys disbarred. He said he would expose the lawyers and their publicist, “one by one, day by day.”

“I hope GOD grants you a long life so you live to repent for what you have done,” Robert Zimmerman Jr. wrote in a tweet directed to Natalie Jackson, one of the lawyers for the slain teen’s family.

In another, he wrote: “My Life’s work = you WILL be held accountable for your words/actions. You AINT seen NOTHIN’ yet... I will see U disbarred.”
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“For far too long, we have kept silent about our plight at the hands of those who made assertions about our family members that were false,” he wrote. “Many assertions made about my brother have now proven to be false as well.”

The family believes they were skewered by the “national media machine” that did not uncover hard facts, but instead was manipulated into destroying the Zimmermans’ lives. He made a reference to what critics have dubbed the “scheme team:” attorneys Jackson and Benjamin Crump and Orlando publicist Ryan Julison.

Conservative critics accuse the three of orchestrating a false narrative about the case for their own profit, presumably a payout from the insurance policy of the homeowner’s association where Zimmerman lived.

...more at link (2 page article)
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From The CTH......

Pertinent Discovery – George Zimmerman Defense
Posted on October 10, 2012 by sundancecracker

The Florida Evidence Manual:
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Section 90.404(1)(b) allows evidence of a pertinent trait of character of the victim of a crime to be offered by an accused; or by the prosecution to rebut the trait; or evidence of a character trait of peacefulness of the victim offered by the prosecution in a homicide case to rebut evidence that the victim was the aggressor.


Dwyer v. State, 743 So. 2d 46, 48 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 5th Dist. 1999)
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Generally, evidence of a victim’s character is inadmissible, but a defendant who alleges self-defense can show, through the testimony of another witness, that the alleged victim had a propensity for violence, thereby inferring that the alleged victim was the aggressor.

Smith v. State, 606 So. 2d 641 (Fla. 1st DCA 1992); see also Ehrhardt, Florida Evidence § 404.6 (1999 ed.); Graham, Handbook of Florida Evidence § 404.1 (1987).

A defendant’s prior knowledge of the victim’s reputation for violence is irrelevant, because the evidence is offered to show the conduct of the victim, rather than the defendant’s state of mind. Ehrhardt. Accordingly, evidence of one of the victim’s reputation for violence was not prohibited by Dwyer’s lack of prior knowledge of that victim’s character traits.


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Smith v. State, 606 So. 2d 641, 642-643 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1st Dist. 1992)
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Florida permits a defendant in a criminal case to introduce evidence of the violent reputation or character of a victim providing there is a showing of self defense on the part of the defendant. Hodge v. State, 315 So.2d 507 (Fla. 1st DCA 1975). One legitimate basis for the admission of such evidence is for the purpose of showing that the victim was the first aggressor.

Fine v. State, 70 Fla. 412, 70 So. 379 (1915).
When a defendant offers evidence for this purpose, it is unnecessary for him to show that he had prior knowledge of the victim’s propensities. Banks v. State, 351 So.2d 1071 (Fla. 4th DCA 1977). Pino v. Koelber, 389 So. 2d 1191, 1194 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2d Dist. 1980)


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http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... n-defense/

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:01 pm 
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George Zimmerman Legal Defence Site.

http://gzlegalcase.com/

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http://www.gzdefensefund.com/


Race and the George Zimmerman Case

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In an interview with the Orlando Sentinel posted September 29, 2012, Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump describes race as the “elephant in the room” in the George Zimmerman case.

The term “elephant in the room” typically describes something that people won’t talk about -- despite how obvious and apparent it is. This term is misapplied in this case. Mr. Crump has led a chorus of voices in drawing attention to the race factor in the George Zimmerman case, including comments from the President of the United States. While it can be safely argued that it is largely the question of civil rights issues that has made the George Zimmerman case a national -- and international -- story, there is nothing to support the contention of racism in the Zimmerman case.

The real “elephant in the room,” however, is that race should not be a factor in the George Zimmerman case, and should never have been made one.

Here are Benjamin Crump’s full remarks:

"It shouldn’t be about race. But race is the elephant in the room. Nobody believes that if you make Trayvon Martin white [and the Neighborhood Watch volunteer black], there’s no way he would not be arrested, and that’s the unfortunate and tragic truth of the matter. There is a double standard. That’s why race is involved in this case.”

Let’s forget for a moment that George Zimmerman is Hispanic, not white. What Mr. Crump is saying is that race is an issue in the George Zimmerman case because, he insists, that if a black man shot a white person in a similar situation, the black man would have been immediately arrested. This is not an indictment of George Zimmerman; this is fundamentally an accusation that the Sanford Police Department acted in a racist way, and that perhaps the criminal justice system at large is biased against black men.

The truth is that there is credible evidence that black men are overrepresented in the criminal justice system, and that is evidence of an underlying problem. Mark O’Mara and Don West have each spent a career in criminal defense fighting against racial bias in the justice system that affected many of their clients. This is something that needs to be discussed as a nation, and if this case has brought that conversation to the forefront, then now is the time to have that conversation.

Mr. Crump is right in talking about the George Zimmerman case when he says: “It shouldn’t be about race.” But by projecting race onto the George Zimmerman case, Mr. Crump is pinning a supposed civil rights victory on a Zimmerman conviction. The problem is that by associating a Zimmerman conviction with a civil rights victory, Mr. Crump has framed a scenario where a Zimmerman victory in a Self-Defense Immunity Hearing or a Zimmerman acquittal will represent a civil rights defeat. That is inappropriate and dangerous to us as a nation.

The Zimmerman defense team is not arguing against civil rights. We are defending a man who claims he shot and killed an attacker in necessary self-defense. If Mr. Crump believes that the Sanford Police Department acted with bias during their investigation, then he should demand a comprehensive conclusion from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE), which conducted an exhaustive investigation into the matter of whether SPD conducted a proper investigation. If Mr. Crump believes that George Zimmerman’s actions were racially motivated, he should demand a comprehensive conclusion from the FBI, which conducted an exhaustive investigation on whether there is evidence that George acted with a racial bias. In that request, we join him.

However, if the FDLE conclusions point to an adequate, non-racially biased investigation from the Sanford Police Department, and if the FBI investigation concludes that George Zimmerman did not violate Trayvon Martin’s civil rights by acting in a racially biased way, then Mr. Crump should acknowledge that the George Zimmerman case is not about race, and he should focus his efforts on a case where a black man has been wrongfully arrested for murder in a clear case of self-defense, and he should champion that cause. To that, we would lend our support and our efforts.


George Zimmerman Legal Case Press Release
http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press- ... erman-case

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From CTH... a story for comparison with the GZ case....

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... ent-214005

Why? and Where is Jackson, Sharpton….. Natalie Jackson, Ben Crump et al on this one?
Posted on October 10, 2012 by sundancecracker

A video showing the mindset of a culture. “A culture” that Natalie Jackson says must be protected at all costs regardless of their behavior. Watch the video….



And a news update.....

Teen arrested in sucker-punching of Pa. teacher
Oct 10, 5:15 PM EDT

PITTSBURGH (AP) -- A teenager who sucker punched a schoolteacher in a downtown alley - an attack caught on surveillance video - apparently picked the victim at random, police and school officials said.

The attack happened last Thursday at about 3:30 p.m. The surveillance video, which Pittsburgh police used to make an arrest Tuesday, shows the 15-year-old suspect walking with several other youths past 50-year-old James Addlespurger. Addlespurger, who teaches English at an arts high school, was walking in the other direction and did not appear to interact with the youths in any way.

The suspect suddenly approached Addlespurger and punched him in the head. The teacher fell hard onto a curb as the teen and the others continued walking.

"We don't know the mind state that that young man was in, but there's something very terrifying about it," said Pittsburgh Councilman R. Daniel Lavelle, whose district includes downtown. "In the video it appears he was laughing afterwards, which is very disturbing."

The suspect was taken to a juvenile detention center on a charge of simple assault but was not identified because he's charged in juvenile court.

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Amazing what a 15 year old "child" thug can do with just one punch.

The poor guy (victim) was knocked unconscious... if the attacker had decided to straddle him and pound his head on the concrete he would not have been able to defend himself... I doubt he was carrying a CW.. but if he had been, and he regained consciousness... I would say a shot into the attackers chest would be appropriate use of deadly force?

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October 10, 2012 at 10:55 pm

First vid taken down by YT????

But there is an updated version


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George Zimmerman Defense Files Demand for Specific Discovery

on 11 October 2012.

On October 11, 2012 the Zimmerman defense team filed a Demand for Specific Discovery requesting all records held by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Department of Justice Community Relations Services as they pertain the the organizations' respective investigations and communications regarding the State of Florida vs. George Zimmerman or any related matters, including the investigation of the Sanford Police Department’s handling of the initial investigation.

Demand for Specific Discovery (pdf 3 pages)
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New York Times, CBS, NBC, others fight move to seal Zimmerman subpoenas
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
1:36 p.m. EDT, October 11, 2012

The New York Times, CBS News, NBC and several other media companies on Thursday challenged an attempt by prosecutors in the George Zimmerman murder case to keep secret any subpoenas issued by defense attorneys and whatever evidence they might produce.

What Special Prosecutor Angela Corey is asking Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson, according to a motion prepared by the media companies, is unjustifiable and out of line with what's required under Florida law.

"Closure simply cannot be ordered on a blanket, presumptive basis," wrote Scott Ponce, a Miami attorney representing more than a dozen news organizations, including The Wall Street Journal, Associated Press, The Tampa Bay Times and The Miami Herald.

Also Thursday, defense attorney Mark O'Mara demanded that prosecutors hand over all evidence they have related to a federal civil-rights investigation into the case.

Zimmerman, 29, a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, is charged with second-degree murder for shooting Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old, Feb. 26 in Sanford after calling police and describing him as suspicious.

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O'Mara to depose eight Sanford cops next week
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
11:26 a.m. EDT, October 12, 2012

Defense attorney Mark O'Mara plans to depose eight Sanford cops and four Sanford fire-rescuers next week as George Zimmerman's team moves predictably into the next phase of its work, getting sworn statements from witnesses and pressing them with questions about what they saw, what they did and why they did it.

According to court paperwork filed yesterday, O'Mara will depose four Sanford officers Wednesday, including William Erwin, the investigator who conducted a voice stress test – something similar to a lie detector - on Zimmerman and concluded that he passed.

On Thursday O'Mara is scheduled to depose four other Sanford officers, mostly managers who were at the crime scene, including Sgt. Ricardo Ayala and Tony Raimondo, both of whom performed CPR on Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black 17-year-old whom Zimmerman killed.

That same day, O'Mara is to depose four Sanford Fire Department first responders, including the first ones to reach Trayvon. They include Mike Brandy, the paramedic who pronounced the teenager dead.

Notably absent from the two witness lists are Officer Tim Smith, the first officer on the scene, and Chris Serino, the case's lead investigator. They will likely be deposed later

In court paperwork filed last week, O'Mara wrote that he expects to depose 50 to 75 witnesses.

Last month, he conducted his first round of depositions, seven evidence specialists and scientists from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement who worked on the case

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Defense Files Motion to Schedule Standing Hearing to Address Discovery in the Zimmerman Case

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On Friday, October 12, 2012, The Zimmerman defense team filed a Motion to Schedule Standing Hearings to Address Discovery and Other case Management Issues or in the Alternative to Request Assignment of a Senior Judge to Manage Discovery.

The Motion outlines issues the defense has had in receiving complete discovery from the State, explains how discovery requests may become more contentious as the defense moves forward with the discovery process, and suggests a solution for managing these unique discovery challenges.

Motion to Schedule Standing Hearing to Address Discovery and Other Case Management Issues or in the Alternative to Request Assignment of a Senior Judge to Manage Discovery
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/document ... arings.pdf


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It looks like O'Mara is fed up with the State Obfuscation and game playing.....

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