What a perfect example to demonstrate just how much the Martin supporters have based their conclusions not on actual evidence, but rather on speculation and belief:
Angie wrote:
Manberk, Of course, no one alone who deemed someone looked suspicious to them would ever follow that person...
Speculation, unsupported by evidence.
Argues facts not in evidence (that Zimmerman "followed" Martin, in the sense of pursuing him, rather than merely trying to determine where he went).
Angie wrote:
...they would leave for somewhere safer as fast as they could, and wait for LE after giving their details.
Speculation, unsupported by evidence.
Argues facts not in evidence (that Zimmerman went anywhere or did anything with an intention other than being able to find details to provide to the en-route law enforcement that he himself requested).
Angie wrote:
The only time i can think people have had the notion to do that was if they were pursuing someone looking to make some trouble...
Speculation, unsupported by evidence.
Angie wrote:
...and is not usually a one on one situation, but a few against one for back up.
Irrelevant.
Angie wrote:
I can only believe that GZ knew that the person he decided looked suspicious that evening posed no threat to him...
Speculation, unsupported by evidence.
In fact, actually refuted by existing evidence; namely, the NEN call recording - the obvious concern in Zimmerman's voice when he described Martin approaching his vehicle, and later, when he indicated that he didn't know where Martin was, and didn't want to give out too much information that could be overheard.
Angie wrote:
...and he wanted this confrontation with Trayvon...
Speculation, unsupported by evidence.
Angie wrote:
...and set the whole thing up with the NEN call to make it seem like there was a situation brewing where there was none...
Speculation, unsupported by evidence.
Angie wrote:
...so he could bring the whole thing about because that is what he wanted to do, for whatever reasons only known to him, of which we can only speculate about.
Speculation, unsupported by evidence.
Angie wrote:
And i agree, the HOA/SPD has to take some of the blame for placing GZ in the position of their NW captain or whatever they called him, and allowing that, knowing how GZ was, a recipe for potential disaster.
I can play the speculation game, too: I speculate that "Angie" is in the employ of Parks & Crump, and has a vested interest in the HOA and SPD being found liable, and therefore held financially responsible, for the death of Martin.
Teeto wrote:
You pretty much spell it out in the last of your comment. I believe the positioning of the sweatshirts show that GZ was holding on to Trayvon when he shot him.
Speculation, unsupported by evidence.
In fact, as demonstrated in the ad hoc reenactment by FoxOrlando, the forensic evidence clearly corroborates that Martin was leaning over Zimmerman at the time the shot was fired.
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The mornful screams on the 911 call suggests someone is terrified and possibly suffering pain.
Yes, Zimmerman was, in fact, terrified and suffering pain - further evidence to demonstrate that Zimmerman's use of deadly force met the "reasonable fear" threshold.
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GZ admits to having sufficient time to think about where to position his hand, aim and fire.
"Sufficient time" in this case can mean miliiseconds. Teeto obviously is not well-versed in the tactical considerations of using a firearm in self-defense, or in the physiological and mental impact of a life-threatening situation.
She treats the situation as if he were in an olympic target competition (or as if Zimmemrman were merely skeet shooting with Obama).
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He then admits to jumping on top of Trayvon, in effect bleeding him out
Arguing facts not in evidence. The vast majority (essentially, all) of Martin's bleeding was *internal*. There was no "bleeding out".
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and actually tells a witness to not bother calling 911.
Hearsay.
Zimmerman actually indicated that he had already called the police, and that they were on the way.
Teeto's use of "tells a witness not to bother calling" implies that Zimmerman didn't want the police notified, or didn't care if Martin was injured/dead; but such speculation has no basis in facts in evidence.
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All of these are factors to me that could be considered to show premeditation.
And yet, the State only charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder. Could it be that, as absurd as even that charge is, the State was wise enough to know that it couldn't prove premeditation based solely on speculation (even though that's how they've attempted to prove the components of second-degree murder)?
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I believe the prosecution selected Murder 2 because they wanted a sure conviction and Murder 1 would have required the jury to put more pieces to the puzzle together than they believed they may be willing to do.
That's the ticket! The jury must be racist! Why else would a jury be unwilling to issue a verdict consistent with evidence presented by the State?
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On a personal level, I know I am repeating myself, but I don't believe for one moment that GZ went into the dark between the buildings without having his gun at the ready...
Speculation, unsupported by evidence.
In fact, largely refuted by evidence; namely, Dee Dee. It seems Martin narrated the most mundane aspects of his journey ("mail thing", "little bit dripping", etc.), but failed to mention the minor detail that the "scary old white guy" following him was BRANDISHING A GUN?!?
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...I think we hear him checking his gun in the NEN call...
Speculation, unsupported by evidence.
This remains in the top three of the most absurd claims made by Martin supporters. Zimmerman clearly did not rack the slide of his firearm (otherwise, he would have had to reload the ejected round, in order to have a full, 7+1 load-out), and merely moving the slide to check the chamber doesn't make much of an audible sound. Furhter, in order to have a 7+1 load-out, Zimmemran would have had to do so manually, by fully loading the 7-round magazine, inserting the magazine, releasing (or racking) the slide to chamber a round, removing the magazine, reloading a round in the magazine, and re-inserting the magazine. Thus, he would have no need to check the chamber; he would know, without a doubt, that a round was in the chamber.
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...to me that could show intent.
Speculation, unsupported by evidence.
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I believe at some point GZ brandished his gun...
Speculation, unsupported by evidence.
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...and that is when he realized that he needed to permanently silence Trayvon ...
Speculation, unsupported by evidence.
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...otherwise, GZ was looking at assault charges - and if his gun were involved (which I also believe) he was looking at a minimum of three years in jail.
Speculation, unsupported by evidence.
Besides, merely brandishing a gun would constitute "menacing", not "assault" - and there is no evidence that Zimmerman used any physical force that would otherwise constitute battery or assault.
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Of course, what I believe isn't evidence and will play no part in the trial.
Teeto finally has a moment of lucidity.
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