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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:13 pm 
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Traybot Worriers down in The Twitter Sewer and "True Gossip Forums" are all in a tiswas over this book :95 :59


BOOK REVIEW
Lisa Bloom's 'Suspicion Nation' dips into Trayvon Martin case

For better or worse, Lisa Bloom brings a TV pundit sensibility to the Trayvon Martin case in 'Suspicion Nation.'
By Hector Tobar
February 28, 2014

The subtitle of legal pundit Lisa Bloom's new book, "Suspicion Nation," is a bit misleading when it claims to be "the inside story" of the killing of Trayvon Martin and the trial that followed.

There are few, if any, behind-the-scenes revelations in "Suspicion Nation." Anyone who followed the 2013 trial of shooter George Zimmerman will be familiar with Bloom's account of the case. And in a divided United States, millions followed the story obsessively, joining competing pro-Trayvon and pro-Zimmerman Greek choruses on social media.
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At its best, "Suspicion Nation" is a thorough evisceration of the amateurish job done by the Florida prosecutors who tried Zimmerman. And at its worst, it's like turning on the television and listening to yet another annoying television pundit make sport of a human tragedy. Bloom is, in fact, a television pundit, in addition to being the daughter of high-profile lawyer Gloria Allred.
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Bloom does a good job of telling us why the prosecutors failed to hold Zimmerman to account for his actions that rainy night. But supporters of Zimmerman will surely ignore its arguments. And those who felt Zimmerman was guilty will feel as if they'd been forced to watch the wall-to-wall television coverage unfold all over again — only to see the story reach the same perplexing ending.

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George has been Acquitted............ :neener

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I doubt these dopes actually WANT what they are calling for...

A Justice system weighted towards convicting an accused person, despite a lack of evidence.

I think such a system would adversely effect "their people" who they complain are already unfairly treated (convicted) by the system we have :cool

What they are DEMANDING is "Mob Justice"
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Crump is back to the usual lies and distortions

Atty Crump Speaks ...

“When you think about these verdicts, when you kill an unarmed black child, you don’t go to jail. But when you shoot and you miss — attempted murder on the other occupants on the car — you get held accountable. Marissa Alexander, a black female in Jacksonville, Florida, she shot a warning shot on the ceiling. She says ‘Stand Your Ground,’ and she was convicted for 20 years. What message are we sending someone? Don’t miss? Is that what the ‘Stand Your Ground’ law means? Don’t miss? If you miss, you get off. If you kill a young black man, you go home. That’s just troubling.”

Crump insists that Stand Your Ground has a major issue remaining:

“The problem is this law that says as long as you can articulate some imaginary fear, that it’s justified to kill our children, it’s legalized murder, and we have to talk about that.”

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I think the question Crump should be asking is why is there fear of young black men?


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I think I know why. I was a teenager in the 50's, raised by parents who were assimilated into the 50's society. But I did not hold the same values as my parents. I sympathized with those of color who were forced to use separate water fountains, ride in the back of a bus, etc. One day, around lunch time, I was in a cafe when 2 black men walked in. By their looks, it was obvious they had been working hard. They were told by the waitress to go to the back door and they would be fed in the kitchen. I almost literally exploded! I told the cafe workers what I thought about what they had just done (and they told me what they thought too). Of course, what they said had a lot more sway over things since they were adults, and I was only a mere child.

Then I grew up and got my first job. It was in law enforcement. It wasn't long before I began dealing with the criminal element and I began to see that a preponderance of them were people of color. I am not going to proffer an explanation of why there is a preponderance (I'm not a psychiatrist), I only know there is. I can't help but think that is the reason they are feared, not only by non-colored people, but by those who are colored too. Everybody can't be painted by the same brush, even if there is a preponderance. I have (and have had) several very good friends who are black. And I value their friendship more than the friendship of a lot of whites I know.

I'm retired now and no longer encounter criminals in my ordinary life, but I am still prejudiced, .... prejudiced not against anyone's skin color (which I still think is the epitome of stupidity), but people's behavior whether that behavior is typical of the hoodrats in a ghetto or rednecks in a trailer park of skinheads.


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Crump is back to the usual lies and distortions

Atty Crump Speaks ...

“When you think about these verdicts, when you kill an unarmed black child, you don’t go to jail.


"Child" a has specific, legal definition that, while it may vary from State to State, generally only includes those no older than 14.

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But when you shoot and you miss — attempted murder on the other occupants on the car — you get held accountable.


I didn't follow the Dunn case, but from what I've seen, there was zero evidence to support a claim of premeditation. Once again, Angela Corey over-charged. Once the self-defense hurdle was cleared, I'm guessing a conviction for second-degree murder would have been fairly easy. But, Angela Corey's gonna Angela Corey, and overreach.

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Marissa Alexander, a black female in Jacksonville, Florida, she shot a warning shot on the ceiling. She says ‘Stand Your Ground,’ and she was convicted for 20 years.


There are two issues at play here: one, you don't shoot "warning shots", ever. You shoot to stop a threat. A "warning shot" is a reckless discharge of a firearm, because you have no knowledge or control over where that shot goes. But two, o Crumpster: if you'd get your racist mindset past Evil Whitey out to get the black man (or woman), you would realize that most gun-rights advocates *agree* with you that Marissa Alexander's punishment far exceeded her crime.

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What message are we sending someone? Don’t miss? Is that what the ‘Stand Your Ground’ law means? Don’t miss? If you miss, you get off. If you kill a young black man, you go home. That’s just troubling.”


Few can erect and tear down a straw man like the Crumpster.

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Crump insists that Stand Your Ground has a major issue remaining:

“The problem is this law that says as long as you can articulate some imaginary fear, that it’s justified to kill our children, it’s legalized murder, and we have to talk about that.”


"Reasonable" != "Imaginary", Crumpy.

The law doesn't say "articulate some imaginary fear"; rather, the law says "reasonable belief of imminent risk of life or great bodily harm".

And the fact remains: Zimmerman never claimed a defense under the so-called SYG statute. He claimed traditional self-defense. SYG is simply a prog Bogeyman (surely the first SYG laws were written and pushed through State legislators by those other prog Bogeymen, the Koch brothers?). I have to ask you, Dear Crumpmeister: you champion the end of SYG; why do you want to see more black men killed or imprisoned?

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So... that is TWO reputable FLORIDA lawyers who have stated an opinion that GZ IS still exposed to a potential Wrongful Death Suit.
And FWIW my reading of what info I have found online leads me to that same opinion.


I'm just a layman, but I can't get around the (perhaps unintended) consequence that the 2010 legislation created a contradiction in the statutes. It claims not to replace the statute of limitation for wrongful death, but then says that any wrongful death that results from homicide is exempted from the limitation.

It just makes no sense. ALL "wrongful death" claims result from homicide. "Homicide" = "killing of a human". Killing results in death every time. So, it is impossible to have a "wrongful death" claim that results from anything other than a homicide.

So, my layman's interpretation is that the actual application of the law will be decided by the courts, who will interpret one statute against the other, and try to figure out the legislative intent. Until that happens, nobody can say definitively what the newer statute means or how it impacts the statute of limitations regarding wrongful death.

I think it's reasonable to guess that the courts will interpret the legislative intent to be that removing the statute of limitations for homicides was to ensure that damages could be recovered even if the investigation into the homicide exceeded the statutory limitation, and that the legislative intent was *not* to remove a reasonable statutory limitation in instances in which the person who committed the homicide is known.

I could even see the courts saying that the wrongful-death-by-homicide two-year limitation starts if/when the State files charges against someone for the homicide.

But who knows? In this case, there's no point in speculating about a wrongful-death suit that will never be filed.

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So... what's not to "get" Chip.

Ambiguous legislation? :)

Not knowing what is in a law until after they pass the law? :)

As you say it wont be tested for this case, but perhaps IF a WD suit was filed in circumstances similar... there would be a legal challenge along the lines you suggest. That would perhaps be the only way that an a truly final answer could be seen... and of course THAT would then enter the appeals system... up through Higher Courts. :wall

I think that in this case we can not say with CERTAINTY that a WD suit can not be filed.

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February 26th 2014.........


:91 Celebration Day For George Zimmerman :91



The Day marks the 2nd anniversary of of the attack on George Zimmerman by Trayvon Martin, and George's shooting of Martin in self defence.

If anybody reading disputes that interpretation of the events two years ago... I refer you to the trial in regards this matter, and George's ACQUITTAL. :neener

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The evidence presented at that trial PROVED George's description of events. There was an absence of ANY evidence from the State to refute George's claim of self defense. In fact the State had no case at all. :neener

One important significance of this anniversary date is that there has not been any "Wrongful Death Suit" filed as the 2 year anniversary of the death arrives. :87

So it's a big fat FAIL in regards the main aim of the Scheme Team's "cunning plan" :slap

Mr. Crump Don't Like It....



No doubt Traybot Worriers down in the twitter sewer, and at "True Gossip Forums" will be "outraged" at my heralding this day as a celebration day... they would prefer to wallow in the daft notions that they wilfully cling to despite evidence to the contrary. Dopes... cynically used and manipulated by the Scheme Team (and others). Imprinted with a False Narrative that they do not have the wit, common sense, or logic to see through. They were manipulated into regarding Martin as a "victim"... and furthermore a "Child victim" (Imprinted on them as a cute 12 year old), they will no doubt be "celebrating" this day in lament as a "holy day"... akin to the Martyrdom of St Skittles :doh

We already have Traybot Worriers hailing TM's Birthday as some sort of "Holy Day" ("Traymas"?)

And down in the Twitter sewer and at "True Gossip Forums" (like InSession2), they will I am sure be treating the anniversary of TM's death as a Holy Day too. (Tray-Easter).

As I have already noted:

"Tray-Easter" will of course be observed around the closest long weekend..around Feb 26th....."Good Herb Friday" to "Creepy-ass-cracker Sunday" Typically celebrated by sharing "the Tray-Communion" Skittles and Ice tea .. the body and blood of TM (Communion to be taken while wearing a hoodie and talking on a cell phone)

Maybe eat traditional "burning-cross buns"... symbolic of "subliminal racism" still afoot in society.

A time to remember and celebrate TM "rising from the dead" as it were, as a marketing "Band Name" ...Trayvon™
(© Sabrina Fulton)

And of course the Sunday before Tray-Easter will become known as "Cannabis Palm Sunday"... celebrating TM's triumphal arrival in Sanford (after being thrown off the bus for punching the driver).

Rather than a procession of the assembled worshippers carrying palms, devotees should follow TM's lead and stick a cannabis plant up their ass, and all hobble in procession :lol


The Scheme Team Does The Time warp Again


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I agree, when an innocent person successfully defends himself from a vicious assault, it is a cause for celebration,
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Proof Lisa Bloom lied about Trayvon's ability to see Zimmerman's gun


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Yet another Traybot delusion debunked
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Lisa Bloom says Creepy Ass Cracka is a lighthearted funny was to describe a person and goes on to say there is no evidence trayvon showed any animus toward Zimmerman

Lisa obviously didn't spend much time researching her book. IMO, the term "Creepy ass-cracka" is nowhere near a lighthearted funny way to describe a person. It is a gay slur. It's calling a man an "ass-cracker."


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Lisa Bloom didn't research a lot of things, when she claims Maddy claimed to be "bullied"..so is she lying now? Or was she lying when she told Al Sharpton that she wasn't?

I have lots of ?s for Bloom

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I would like to ask Bloom why the idea of Martin sucker-punching George "right out of the blue" seems so strange to her and doesn't "make sense" to her. Does she live in a cave? Has she never heard of the Knock-Out Game? Has she never heard of "polar-bear hunting?"


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SANFORD – Former Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman says he's done fighting in court with Special Prosecutor Angela Corey.

In paperwork filed at the Seminole County criminal courthouse, Zimmerman says he is giving up his promised fight to make the state pay his legal bills.

He's also wants to put an end to his lawyers' fight with prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda, whom they had asked a judge to punish, alleging unethical behavior, including hiding evidence.

If Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson agrees, that would clear the way for Zimmerman to move forward with his defamation suit against NBCUniversal. A hearing in that case is scheduled Friday. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... 1564.story


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Sounds to me, and I could be wrong, that NBC may want to dispose of the suit quietly. Personally the sanctions should have been O'Mara's dog fight..

Unbelievable arrogance of Angela Corey having Mantei demand Nelson rule in the SAO's favor.

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Looks like an "old boy network" type solution.... the bastids not held to account.... but I can appreciate that GZ wants to be done with it all and cut to the chase with NBC. Who I suspect will settle out of court eventually.

For once I hope Corey/Bernie (via her Toy-boy Mantei) prevail. But I can see the whole mess now heading towards being swept under the carpet.

Unfortunately this course means the truth about Bernie and Corey et al will not come to light and they will NOT be held accountable. It also cuts off one venue that might have aired some of the truth about TM. Lets hope that some of the facts about TM (off his phone) get publicised at the Kruidbos hearing? Though no doubt that will be all smoothed over too :stamp

And the article updates another side show lose thread
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In another legal development involving Zimmerman, a judge has set aside a default entered in favor of his wife, Shellie, in their ongoing divorce.

That means the two sides are back to equal footing as they fight to divide up property but mostly the overwhelming debt they face because of George Zimmerman's legal bills.

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