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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:21 pm 
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LL Cool J & Brad Paisley Further Break Down "Accidental Racist

“I in no way would compare the history of the Confederate flag—the rapes, the tortures, the murders, the lynching, all the things associated with the Confederate flag—with a do-rag. However, when you think about a kid like Trayvon Martin, when you think about some of the things that happen in society based on clothing, when you put it in its proper context, it makes sense,” LL Cool J explained, according to XXLMag.com. “I understand the systemic racism that exists. I get that. But you know what? If the playing field is un-level, if you feel it is unfair, then maybe putting down some of that baggage will help you make it up that hill a little easier."

Exactly what does LL Cool mean by "a kid like Trayvon Martin"? Does he even know? Or is he just a parrot, repeating what he has heard?

With all we now know about the real Trayvon Martin and the events of 2/26/12, how can these kinds of statements continue? If only the media would pick up the information SD is posting and investigate and repeat the information over and over again ad nauseum. Will there ever be a way to erase the original false narrative?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:56 pm 
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From the 106 page link, in particular, Tagle's statement, which is jawdropping BTW, especially the end where he just makes a prepared statement, Tagle states:

School Years:

2008-2010 - 508 Baker Acts.
2010-2011 - 723 Baker Acts.

^^ what in the heck is going on at these schools :eek


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:23 pm 
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Dumb questions/thoughts:

1. What compelled Crump to file the settlement with the court in the first place? It has nothing to do with State v. G. Zimmerman.
2. Rules of public disclosure of court records aren't directly concerned with a contractual agreement of confidentiality to which neither the trial court nor the parties involved in State v. G. Zimmerman are privy.
3. The act of disclosure has already taken place: Crump attaching the settlement to the State v. G. Zimmerman case made it a public record, and subjected it to public disclosure per Florida's sunshine laws.
4. How does Crump have standing to admit anything into the record? If Nelson somehow agrees to keep the settlement sealed, couldn't the defense move to strike/expunge/(whatever the correct term is) the settlement from the record? (It is obvious, especially given the projection of same by Crump in his response, that at least part of the reason that Crump submitted the settlement into the court record was to taint the jury pool with the mere knowledge that a settlement had been reached. Mission accomplished, of course.)


1.He wanted the information known
2.He filed a redacted document, so it would not matter if revealed or leaked
3.Exactly his intent
4.He was a minor party, and had filed several documents already, the clerk would have no reason to question it.

I don’t know I think is brilliant move, off the top of my head,

1) Lets see he muddy’s the jury pool, HOA settle to avoid worst judgement after conviction.
2) Free National publicity for his client
3) Makes MOM waste time and resources on a losing fight
4) Takes away, a potential trap, having MOM ask about a settlement on the stand during questioning of Sybrina or Tracy
5) By releasing the settlement news now, nobody will remember during the trial

Not to sound prejudiced but Crump has made some good moves since his association with Blackwell.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:28 pm 
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chipbennett wrote:
1. What compelled Crump to file the settlement with the court in the first place? It has nothing to do with State v. G. Zimmerman.


Don't know. Crump's response fails to state any reason for filing the SA, but states that it is immaterial to the case (See paragraph 7) and likely to taint the jury pool (See paragraph 12). I assume that if O'Mara had demanded production of the SA, then Crump would have mentioned that fact in his response. In the absence of any stated legitimate purpose, I tend to think that the purpose is not legitimate (influence the jury pool, free law firm advertising, or throw Tracy and Sybrina under the bus by filing impeachment evidence) and / or that Crump is grossly incompetent and believes that the SA somehow constitutes evidence of GZ's guilt.

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2. Rules of public disclosure of court records aren't directly concerned with a contractual agreement of confidentiality to which neither the trial court nor the parties involved in State v. G. Zimmerman are privy.


Yeah, I assume it is fairly unusual that a non-party files an SA from a civil case in a criminal case, admits that the SA is irrelevant to the criminal case, and then seeks to seal the SA. The case law deals with situations where the SA is between the parties (divorce cases) or where the SA has to be approved by the court. Why file an SA with the court where not required in a sunshine law state if you want to keep it secret?

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3. The act of disclosure has already taken place: Crump attaching the settlement to the State v. G. Zimmerman case made it a public record, and subjected it to public disclosure per Florida's sunshine laws.


Crump apparently filed it under seal, the clerk fuarked up and made it available to OS, then sealed it. Then the clerk followed the procedure provided by the rules and notified Crump that he has 10 days to show good cause why it should remain sealed. Depending on the details of the confidentiality provision, HOA may, in event of publication, eventually sue Crump and argue that Crump knowingly caused publication by filing it with the court in view of the FL sunshine laws. His admission that the SA is irrelevant to the criminal case would come in very handy as evidence of intentional publication for an improper purpose. HOA might buy O'Mara a beer for filing the motion to unseal.

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4. How does Crump have standing to admit anything into the record?


Crump's standing is (1) as a potential deponent and (2) as a private attorney representing witnesses. I don't know how that gives him standing to file an irrelevant SA with the court.

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If Nelson somehow agrees to keep the settlement sealed, couldn't the defense move to strike/expunge/(whatever the correct term is) the settlement from the record? (It is obvious, especially given the projection of same by Crump in his response, that at least part of the reason that Crump submitted the settlement into the court record was to taint the jury pool with the mere knowledge that a settlement had been reached. Mission accomplished, of course.)


I think the defense wants to use the SA as evidence to impeach Sybrina and Tracy, and thus won't be filing a motion to strike.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:36 pm 
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Ottawa925 wrote:
^^ what in the heck is going on at these schools :eek


If Trayvon was in jail where he belonged, GZ wouldn't have had to shoot him. Maybe Crump can sue the school police dept.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:39 pm 
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Ottawa925 wrote:
From the 106 page link, in particular, Tagle's statement, which is jawdropping BTW, especially the end where he just makes a prepared statement, Tagle states:

School Years:

2008-2010 - 508 Baker Acts.
2010-2011 - 723 Baker Acts.

^^ what in the heck is going on at these schools :eek

You forgot the 724, with weeks to go on the in 2012. Is no wonder TM did not have a record, everything was mislabeled or overlooked. I think MOM should look into a possible lawsuit, as any other person that suffered under the hands of these youths.


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I think that they are planning a sneak attack again. Shayan Modarres has stated she just finished a Christmas present 30 min. ago. Someone asked when they can expect and she said closer to the end of the month.

who IS Shayan Modarres in connection with this case? Why do they have him working on motions/briefs?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:27 pm 
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I think "she" is actually a "he". Maybe they have him working on an opposition to the petition for cert. to try and keep Crump from being deposed.

http://modarreslaw.com/


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yeah, I saw that (about gender). I would think Crump would want an Appeals specialist, or someone who at least is well versed in Appeals. I could be wrong but this person after looking at their site does not look like they fill the bill. Maybe taking a specific portion, but you would EXPECT that filing ... and does not in my mind qualify for their idea of a "Christmas Present". To them it means something unexpected.


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IMO, of course, but Shayan Modarres has been out of law school for but a couple of years...2011, IIRC. He seems to have attached himself to a high profile case, probably to drum up some business . He is HUGE with the dog pound as is NatJack. I have looked all over his website and I can see no connect to ParksCrump. He mentions him in his tweets but nothing back from Crump or Parks or Jackson that I could find.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:00 am 
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Ottawa925 wrote:
yeah, I saw that (about gender). I would think Crump would want an Appeals specialist, or someone who at least is well versed in Appeals. I could be wrong but this person after looking at their site does not look like they fill the bill. Maybe taking a specific portion, but you would EXPECT that filing ... and does not in my mind qualify for their idea of a "Christmas Present". To them it means something unexpected.


The Traybots have tweeted about "Christmas Present" before. It seems synonymous with "debacle" or "blunder".


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DebFrmHell wrote:
IMO, of course, but Shayan Modarres has been out of law school for but a couple of years...2011, IIRC. He seems to have attached himself to a high profile case, probably to drum up some business . He is HUGE with the dog pound as is NatJack. I have looked all over his website and I can see no connect to ParksCrump. He mentions him in his tweets but nothing back from Crump or Parks or Jackson that I could find.


Well, he may have been referring to another case, but they were talking about the latest filing by Crump (the opposition), so I tend to think Modarres WAS talking about the Martin case re: Christmas present.

The last time they talked about a Christmas present ... Blackwell showed up.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:31 am 
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The last time they talked about a Christmas present W8 got busted lying.


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We keep bumping into federal control that is always tied to the FREE MONEY they hand out. Evidently this case has it from the state courts down to the community schools.


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I could see a large chunk of the "iceberg" very early on.....

But I do agree we are seeing more and more.

It remains frustrating that someone does not call a halt to this farce.... like.... a "grown-up" needs to step in.

Maybe the 5DCA will be that "Grown-up" ?


I did too. It isn't normal behavior to attack someone just because you think you are being followed and it isn't normal behavior to hear a "scary situation", have a phone go dead, do nothing and then be shocked weeks later to find out you were the last person to talk to the deceased that very night. Strange to say the least.

I have always said that Mr. Martin was on a downward spiral. It is typical teenage behavior to be suspended that many times in a short period of the school year unless you are starting to get out of control. And to have the parents not do one thing to correct it makes one question what they were thinking. These weren't things separated by years, but behavior that got worse with each month. I can't believe anyone would think leaving him alone without supervision was a good idea.

That being said, it is still a shame. We will never know what happened during the last moments, but it is clear both of them acted without full knowledge. Sometimes that isn't possible, but it still makes you wish things had gone differently.

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As well as this DAILY discussion thread about the GZ case... there is also

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Ottawa925 wrote:
I know people are discussing this new documentation on the level of the cover up of school crime etc., however, there's another cover up by the schools themselves, and that is the scholastic achievement of these students. We've already seen one total scam where teachers were involved in the "test scoring" fiasco. That's only ONE example where they got caught. You are naive to think it's still not going on somewhere.

Can anyone here honestly say that from what you heard and what you saw written, that DD's educational achievement level was enough to graduate high school? What I see is someone who is still at grade school level. Am I wrong? I'm I judging unfairly? Does she just have poor communication skills, yet was able to pass math, science, etc.?


This is a problem all over the country. They aren't doing any favors to the students. These people get into community college and have to take different sets of remedial programs in order to even have the lowest basic skills for the next level of courses. It's a shame for everyone involved, especially the taxpayers who have to keep footing the bill.


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If Trayvon was in jail where he belonged, GZ wouldn't have had to shoot him. Maybe Crump can sue the school police dept.


You know this plays out in the streets of every major city in America. It is always shocking to see where a person has avoided any convictions, continues their criminal behavior and ends up dying.


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Perhaps he belonged in prison at the time he attacked George?

At the very least he should have been "grounded"... supervised!!

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Ottawa925 wrote:
Who IS Shayan Modarres in connection with this case? Why do they have him working on motions/briefs?


Deputy Private Attorney General? Private Attorney General Crump is apparently determining what witnesses will testify at trial. See paragraph 11.


http://www.gzdocs.com/documents/0413/op ... unseal.pdf


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