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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:34 pm 
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"Put your hands up, get away from the car."

"Put your hands on the car."

"Put your hands up and get out of the car."

Be nice if they could make up their minds, unless they were actually trying to confuse him into doing something that would let them shoot him.


I assumed cops were talking to "Da Blonde" in the car as well as George?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:48 pm 
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I'll refrain from mentioning what "Da Blondes" confusion with "on & up ...in the car" would have her doing with her hands by then.


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Uh.....IIRC, the dog Leroy is not the Rottweiler.


You are right. Leroy is Shellie's old dog. Oso is the Rottie. Shellie had Leroy when she married George.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:49 am 
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Rumpole wrote:
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I assumed cops were talking to "Da Blonde" in the car as well as George?


Hard to tell from that video which made it look like they were a good block away from George's truck.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:55 am 
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Gutman's take...........

George Zimmerman Loses Lawyer as Cops Seek Fight Video
MIAMI Sept. 10, 2013
By MATT GUTMAN and COLLEEN CURRY

George Zimmerman's lawyer said today he will no longer represent the man acquitted of murder in the death of teenager Trayvon Martin, even as police say that Zimmerman or his wife could face charges over Monday's domestic dispute.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, made the announcement one day after Shellie Zimmerman called police to say that George had assaulted her father and threatened her, leaving her "very, very scared."

Police said today they are still investigating the incident and that either George or his wife Shellie Zimmerman could eventually face charges.

Investigators are trying to watch video of the conflict captured on Shellie Zimmerman's iPad, which was broken into pieces. The iPad is being looked at by forensic examiners who hope to see what happened during the conflict, police said at a news conference today.

Lake Mary police spokesman Zach Hudson said that George Zimmerman and Shellie's father, Colin Morgan, got into an altercation in which they "put hands on each other," although he didn't know if they punched or shoved one another.

Shellie Zimmerman claimed in a 911 call that her husband punched her father in the nose. During the 911 call, Mrs.Zimmerman also reported that George Zimmerman had a gun on him, a claim that police later debunked, saying there was no gun found at the scene and that no one, including Shellie Zimmerman, said they had seen a weapon during the argument.

None of the individuals wanted to press charges.

...more at link
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerm ... d=20212533

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Smashed iPad

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Hi liesel,

I read what you read about who the blonde is (GZ's ex-fiance). I also read something yesterday that said Shellie learned George had resumed (my word) his illicit (my word) relationship after his acquittal, which is why she filed for divorce ... all of which led me to think perhaps the ex was the problem between the 2 that caused SZ to move out the night before the GZ/TM encounter.

All of this is, of course, no more than a combination of media sources and me trying to make sense of the whole thing.

A lot of folks are being very hard on Shellie, and while I think she's used extremely poor judgment in taking this public and spending one second in the presence of the media that has crucified them for a year and a half, I'm not ready to believe she's executing some grand master plan against GZ that has been in the making for months. I suspect GZ made her mad enough to move out back in February 2012, and made her mad enough again recently to file for divorce. I think she's mad. And she's lashing out in disastrous ways. But I'm not ready to assume she's nothing more than a manipulative gold-digging drama queen, which seems to be the way many are leaning.

I can't explain what the 911 call(s) were about yesterday or why she presumably showed up unannounced during "George's time" at the house -- I haven't sorted that one out yet in terms of what her motivations might have been. But something tells me it originated out of more of the same -- she's very angry and vindictive at the moment.

Maybe they were keeping score on who was supporting who "enough" in their relationship. She felt she had been supportive since the shooting (and there's certainly some evidence of that), she doesn't feel he returned the favor, and to add insult to injury, here comes blondie.

My 2 cents. I won't wait for change, lol.

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As we all know, we cannot believe media reports about anything, particularly anything related to GZ. Most of us are old enough to know better than to get into anyone's marriage. Given all of that, I doubt I'll ever feel comfortable taking sides in this divorce.

All of that being said, it is difficult for me to wrap my mind around decent, kind people seeming to be ok with GZ cheating on SZ, leaving her for another woman, an old flame at that. This to me is reprehensible. However, it doesn't excuse the things SZ has done.

I agree that she's likely lashing out. I can't even grasp how hurt and humiliated she must feel. Going through this under normal circumstances must feel pretty horrific, but having it play out on the national news must add a staggering amount to the pain she's going through.

All of this is on top of all the two of them have suffered over the last 16+ months. SZ has been the subject of malicious taunts, insults, and death threats from the public at large. Yet she stayed and supported GZ. And then he takes up with another woman. And then he brings his other woman to SZ's parent's house. When GZ realized SZ was there, imo, he should have gotten his other woman out of there. This was just cruel, rubbing her nose in his infidelity, imo.

Again, I'm not excusing what SZ has done. If GZ hadn't already left her for another woman, imo, he'd be justified in leaving her over going to the press under these circumstances. That was a huge betrayal. But at 26 years old, after his huge betrayal of her, I can't hate her for it, kwim?

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Bruised nose and smashed ipad photos posted by Rumpole show something was going on at that house. It doesn't appear to me that SZ made up everything. MOM said GZ did have a firearm and did have his hand on it, 'making sure it was holstered' or some such.

I can understand GZ being concerned about his distraught, hysterical wife, and keeping his hand there to assure himself she couldn't grab it from him.

I can also understand SZ, especially at 26 years old; especially having never experienced violence from GZ; especially under the general emotional strain the two of them have suffered, and the additional emotional devastation of GZ's infidelity; and having seen him destroy the ipad and hit her dad, two things she never thought she would see from such a calm, nice guy who has unfortunately changed so much through no fault of his own; yeah, I can see her believing in that moment that she may not know what's coming next, that she and her dad may be in danger.

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The altercation, imo, is more fallout from TM™'s vicious assault on 2/26/12, the scheme team, and the Trayborg™'s relentless, delusional, vicious, bitter hate.

Again, I hope they all reap what they have sewn. And I am confident they will. My bigger hope is that they realize they brought it on themselves.

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Rumpole wrote:
Gutman's take..........

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How did Shellie's father go from being named something or the other Dean or Deen to being Colin Morgan?


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A) It's media.
B) It's Gutman.
C) It's about GZ.

You can't seriously expect them to print factual info under those circumstances. :Gslap

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While it is very easy to say George was "cheating" on Shellie, we don't know what was really going on. Was he cheating prior to their fight before the Trayvon fiasco? If not then well, sorry, I can understand why after all this time if he and Shellie weren't really together, he probably needed someone to comfort him after all of this. Maybe he didn't go about it the best way, but he also may not be 100% at fault for the affair.


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I agree, mung. I doubt he's 100% to blame. But I also doubt SZ is 100% to blame. A lot of people seem to be hating on her, possibly without looking at her side of it.

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PS - My understanding is that GZ and SZ were together until shortly after the verdict. If I am incorrect in this, please let me know.

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Maybe we should try to put together a mini-timeline?

It's been reported that SZ was at her father's on 2/26/2012. I don't know what the problem between them was at that time. I also don't know if it was a "separation" or that they had a fight and she went there to cool off.

It's been reported the two of them lived in her parent's rental house, from when I don't know, until some time after trial.

SZ said that after the verdict, GZ spent 3 or 4 nights at home, then left, sending her text messages saying he was ok. My impression is that he basically left without a word. So he hasn't physically lived at that house since mid or late July.

IIRC, SZ says she moved out of their previously shared home a month after the verdict. A few weeks later, she filed for divorce.

At some point, the two were in marriage counseling. It's also been reported that SZ specifically asked GZ to not bring the other woman to the house they previously shared.

ADDED: As recently as her ABC interview, SZ seemed like she wanted to preserve her marriage to GZ, in spite of everything.

If all of the above is true, it appears to me likely that GZ was unfaithful unless he just took up with the woman within the last few weeks, after they gave up on marriage counseling.

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liesel wrote:
PS - My understanding is that GZ and SZ were together until shortly after the verdict. If I am incorrect in this, please let me know.


There is together then there is "together" I lived with my ex-wife for 19 years and can honestly say we were only "together" for a short number of those years. We lived most of our lives like room mates that happened to have kids together. Turns out that a lot of the issues were around her having mental issues and in the end I was blamed for her not getting treatment because she thought I would think it was stupid. It was a lot easier to blame me for her wasting away her life sitting on the couch and not appreciating not having to work by making sure I had a clean house and good food on the table when I came home. There was never any real affection in the marriage and I was verbally abused on a regular basis. Early on in the marriage way before the kids there were mutual indiscretions as at that time we both thought divorce was inevitable. We decided to give it one more go and I don't know about her, but I was faithful right up to the end and believe me it was very tough. Try going 6 months without and physical contact except for a knee in your back in bed and having women wanting to be with you and doing nothing about it. In the end things were getting worse and worse and yes I cheated with the person that is now my wife. Why? Because I was too insecure to leave without knowing someone else was there for me. But you know what? When I told my ex-wife that I was leaving she said "That's OK I was going to divorce you when the kids were older anyway". She didn't care about losing me, just cared about the fact that she was going to have to get a job for the first time in 12 years.

So just because they happened to be in the same house, does not mean that they were actually together and that he wasn't totally justified in trying to find someone who actually cared if he woke up the next morning.


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Your situation may be the exact opposite of GZ and SZ's. We don't know. What we do know is that they were recently in marriage counseling. That indicates an attempt to save the marriage. We do know that SZ is very upset, and recently indicated she wanted to stay in the marriage and have children. She's not like your ex in being concerned only about having to get a job, from what we've seen/heard. They also don't have children to hold them together in a roommate situation. She stood by him through his worst days. By all accounts, including MOM, GZ has changed a lot.

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Quick question, mung: Did you bring your then-girlfriend with you to move away from your then-wife?

Sincere question - some don't see any problem with it, and I'm trying to understand.

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liesel wrote:
Your situation may be the exact opposite of GZ and SZ's. We don't know. What we do know is that they were recently in marriage counseling. That indicates an attempt to save the marriage. We do know that SZ is very upset, and recently indicated she wanted to stay in the marriage and have children. She's not like your ex in being concerned only about having to get a job, from what we've seen/heard. They also don't have children to hold them together in a roommate situation. She stood by him through his worst days. By all accounts, including MOM, GZ has changed a lot.


It may be but my point is we really don't know. We also don't know how much of what either party says to believe. One thing I do know is that she is not taking the right path in dealing with the divorce. We shouldn't know anything about it and the reason we do is largely because she is playing this out in public.

On a side note, when my wife and I separated, you wouldn't believe how many of my friends said to me "I could never figure out why you were with her in the first place" Well thanks for telling me that NOW! I know they didn't want to get involved or be mean to me about her, but it was just interesting how many of them had the same opinion. Not one of them said "oh well that's sad I really liked her" or anything like that.


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liesel wrote:
Quick question, mung: Did you bring your then-girlfriend with you to move away from your then-wife?

Sincere question - some don't see any problem with it, and I'm trying to understand.


Funny you bring that up because my current wife and I had a discussion about that yesterday. I ended up keeping my house because there was no way my ex was going to be able to afford it and neither of us wanted to see it sold for way less than what we owed on it. So I took money out of my 401K and put a down payment on a house for my ex and got the mortgage under my name until she was able to get it refinanced. I was living on my boat while we got that all taken care of and while she moved out.

During the move out process my ex asked me to bring some things over to her new house for her and asked that I not bring my then girlfriend with me. I complied. She didn't want her in her house and I can understand that. It was a PITA because I had to haul everything out of my trailer into her house by myself but I did it.


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