Two new entries on the George Zimmerman Case Detail at the 18th District Website:

SEALED ENVELOPE-ORDER TO SEAL ATTACHED


http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDo ... 2CF001083A


Anyone know what this is about?

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If I had to venture a guess, I'd say it's the sealed FDLE bios, redacted and unredacted.

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"That the attacker sustained a mortal wound is a matter that should have been considered by the deceased before he committed himself to the task he undertook." - 5th DCA, Stinson v. State (Fl)

We should start messing with the Trayvonites and getting them spun up on things that will waste their time. In fact if we start a fake pro-Trayvon site we can send them down huge rabbit holes.

I mean with how gullible these people are we should be able to get them to believe almost anything. We need to start small and then as it catches on get more and more off the wall with the theories. I bet it won't take more than a day or two before they are quoting it as gospel on the blogs.

We just have to be careful that we craft things that aren't going to be damaging to George. But since they take the smallest detail and try to make it the smoking gun, it shouldn't be too hard. Lets see do we start with something like, the lawn maintenance people at RTL said there wasn't any blood in the grass where George's head was so he must be lying?

It has to be the right mix of wacky and believable.

Has the defense mentioned anything about deposing witness 9? Could they? SHOULD they?

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witness 9? is his cousin right? why bother speaking to her even if everything they say about George is true that doesn't make him guilty of second degree murder. Nothing she has to say has anything to do with what happen Feb 26 2012.

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"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers."

"If a man talks in a forest, and there is no woman there to hear him.

Is he still wrong?"

Months ago, "accusations" were made about George, and those "accusations" have never been addressed by his team.

I am referring to the accusations made by witness 9. That's an uncomfortable subject for everyone, due to the nature of the accusations, and due to exactly who witness 9 is.

That being said, let's talk about this.

She first tried to make her accusations "anonymously" by calling the SPD and not leaving her name, BUT her number was captured by the Caller ID, so SHE was contacted by THEM.

Next, she was questioned by investigators and again, offered her statement with the expectation of anonymity. But, her statement was made a part of discovery by BDLR, which made it a matter of public record, available to the media, and ultimately the public, despite protestations from the defense.

Later, the defense said that they would answer these accusations with "reciprocal discovery", but have remained mysteriously silent on that issue. Why?

Could it be possible that they have documents (letters, e-mails, or the like) that reveal the interactions between George and witness 9 in a different light, something that might vindicate George, but have a negative effect on witness 9, and this is something that George does not want to do to witness 9?

Here are some interesting, albeit controversial, questions:

Could the defense team ask to depose witness 9?

SHOULD the defense team ask to depose witness 9?

If called by the prosecution, would witness 9 be considered a "hostile" witness?

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Witness #9 seems to me to be irrelevant to this case... her "worth" was in claiming GZ was a rcist.. but turns out she is not now even claiming that.

The nonsense about unsubstantiated "playing doctor" at age 7 is a ludicrous thing to be raising at all... even if true... so what?

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I know how you feel. They thougt I was Shellie, Shellie's mom, George's mom, George's sister, Sondra Osterman. It is crazy.

They probably think I am George's cat ...... Meow!

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Meow!!!

Only reason I could see to depo witness #9 would be because of the reports from Serino about pressure to bring charges. I believe one of those cops is the one who spoke to witness#9

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"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers."

"If a man talks in a forest, and there is no woman there to hear him.

Is he still wrong?"

Oh, I quite agree with you. Her worth to the prosecution was served the day they released her statement in discovery. However, what if she was not as hostile to George now, or even recanted a portion, or ALL of her accusations, and did so publicly?

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Figures never lie, but liars sometime figure.

It seems to me since W#9 has come into the picture it is probably a good idea for the Defense to depose her just to make sure there is nothing the Persecutors could twist around to use. And, I agree, Rumpole, that anything that may or may not have happened when he was 7 is ridiculous to bring up.

As for all the points you made, JFP, I found those interesting. A thought comes to mind, George is an innocent man. Maybe the Defense wants to make sure that anything that besmirchs his name should be aired and cleared. At the least, the Defense needs to discredit her in a depo. Maybe they are just leaving no stone unturned for real.

I wonder what made witness #9 wont to come out and tell her story after all this time..... Was she promised something in return for it when they were trying to dig up dirt on GZ ?

I think she came out back around June or July for some reason that I never understood. Maybe she wanted 15 min. or was angry about something (not necessarily what she accused him of) or is just wacko. Some of our relatives are, you know. I would like the Defense to clear up that info if they can.

Waiting until March 27 deadline?



W9 seems like a nut case, anything is possible.



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Probably not. Z and family probably know all about her and she appears very unlikely to testify in the case, based on the information in her statements.



No, a hostile witness is a witness that is adverse to your case. Designating a witness as hostile is a prerequisite to being allowed to ask them leading questions on direct examination. W9 is hostile to the defense, not the prosecution. Moreover, everything in her statements appears to be irrelevant and inadmissible.

Although the general rule is that you can't prove your case with the opposing side's witnesses, it can be effective in certain cases. For example, in a civil case, if you take the deposition of the opposing CEO and have documents that prove that the CEO is lying extensively, it can be devastating to call the CEO as an adverse witness as the 1st witness in your case and then conduct a witness shredding impeachment in front of the jury. The jury's first impression of the case, when they are still awake and fresh, is that the CEO is a liar. It can also catch the other side off guard and render their scripted trial testimony preparation worthless, as they never expect you to call their CEO as your first witness.

Probably a good guess. I was just getting around to figuring out that LOPE means "envelope".

In the "hood" we always say "lope"

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Seems like they have that covered all by themselves.

I know but wouldn't it be fun to see how ridiculous we could get and still have them spreading it around.

That would be Perkins of Barnes, Perkins and Villanova fame. Serino suspected them of being leaks in the Zimmerman case and told the FBI as such. Frankly, I don't see the harm in deposing her. She made all kinds of claims to Barnes that GZ was a racist and was capable of starting that confrontation within a couple of days of the shooting. I think that the Defense would stay within that scope.

The other accusations stem from a period of years, not just as kids and they are serious. She contacted both NatJack and Daralyn (Jones?) the reporter who went to Philly.