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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:11 pm 
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Readers decide....

Mystery guy 1 ........................................... Mystery guy 2

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:50 pm 
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He IS a BTK killer, lol :lol

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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 12:57 am 
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It's quite simple Chip... by order of Judge Nelson.

Do you use upper case to show her respect for the position she holds?



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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:00 am 
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Nah just habit... like...... Judge Judy :)

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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:55 am 
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I think there may well be some 5DCA news today... and perhaps some Motions filed and some info from CTH...

All in all.... perhaps a busy day on REAL case discussion. :cool

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Rumpole wrote:
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I think there may well be some 5DCA news today... and perhaps some Motions filed and some info from CTH...

All in all.... perhaps a busy day on REAL case discussion. :cool


Why is it the thought crossed my mind of Bernie filing a motion this morning directed at Sundance

...afterall, with what Bernie has said about CTH, he just about qualifies as a co-counsel in Nelson's court?!?!


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If any of you are willing to check it out and let me know what you think, or spread the link around... I'd greatly appreciate it :)

I think it is very good. Something that crossed my mind as I was watching was it is almost as thought they made the movie "The Bonfire of the Vanities" about this story. I know it is an old one, but it just kind of blew me away the similarities. I hope it can be seen by many more people.


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It's very short and should be good for a laugh. It's a compilation of him struggling with the English language, and losing.

I have watched this at least a dozen times and laughed through the whole thing. Now I start laughing before it starts even. We need to collect all the Crumpisms we can find. :Gslap :98 :84


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I suspect that they will present evidence of the sound of Zimmerman chamber checking his gun on the NEN call. It is not unreasonable to get to this point if the evidence is weighed and reasonable inferences are drawn.


I have seen this so many times, it makes me want to :59 .

Dear Dumbarses, The KelTec was loaded 7+1. If he racked that weapon, the shell that was in the chamber would have been ejected. GZ would have then had to release the clip and replace the ejected shell and reinsert the clip. You are not hearing that. Please quit saying you know anything about weapons when all you have done is look at YouTube videos.

The spent shell casing was on the ground and the other seven were still in the gun which accounts for all 8 shells. Read Serino's report.


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kbp wrote:

Why is it the thought crossed my mind of Bernie filing a motion this morning directed at Sundance

...afterall, with what Bernie has said about CTH, he just about qualifies as a co-counsel in Nelson's court?!?!


They may well propose that Sundance is Co-Counsel for the Defence... but of course he is far from that. Just remember a lot of people have been, and still are, critical of Sundance and his views on MOM.

I think Sundance (and many others) are ABOVE the Machinations of Nelson's Kangaroo Court...

Maybe Sundance is Co-Sherrif or Co-"Man with no name".... come to clear out the bad guys from town?

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And from the Opposing forces (various)..... Big Nothing!


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Clearly there were no major announcements in the case today.

So ... I have been contemplating .......

It seems to me that there ARE some clear aspects of financial and political scheming. I keep waiting for some major break and the whole mess to start unravelling..... but it has not happened yet. Everybody is playing their hand with a straight face.... I am still waiting for one of the players to blink!!

I will be disappointed if this case gets as far as a trial.. there is so much WRONG with the foundation of it.

It will be a travesty if it even gets to court and lawyers are arguing the sort of crap that has been posted about it at JQ (et al)
Ghosts in the clubhouse
Accomplices (and a cockatoo) on NEN call
George's injuries
distances from the T
TM's height
George's cries for help
etc

The case itself is simple.... George shot TM in self defence. That is crystal clear in Georges description... NOTHING seen in evidence counters that. The rest is just a Circus show to be performed in front of a jury....

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Don't forget the cry of my favorite troll Kar Vooj, which is that George called off the agreed upon meeting place of the mailboxes because he decided that he wanted to keep "stalking" Trayvon. Apparently in is mind this is key to the case.


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I am especially surprised (disappointed) that this case is proceeding in the US of A

You guys have a Constitution (to be proud of) and long since decided that people have the right to carry a gun (and use it in self defence etc)

The only reason people have a CWP is so that they are armed if need arises. Most hope such an occasion never does arise... and I assume for most that is so... but when it does arise the whole point of carrying a concealed weapon is to SHOOT (and kill) in defence of oneself or others lives.
There is NO REASON to carry a hand gun other than to shoot somebody... it is concealed.. so not expected to be just seen as a deterrent. It is not for shooting rats and mice (or moles lol). It is not there to be just pointed at someone to scare them off. It is not there so you can fire a warning shot in the air. It is there to shoot an attacker. And every recommendation I have seen is that you shoot to stop (kill) and do not ponce about trying to just wound, shoot in the foot etc.

So.... George had a CWP and had his gun with him (luckily). THIS was the exact event that justifies that.

Anybody who says they carry a gun.. and would NOT have shot TM in the given circumstances... should immediately STOP carrying their gun!! They are likely walking around with a weapon that may well be used against them. They are safer without it.

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Law review article regarding cell phones.

http://jolt.richmond.edu/v18i1/article3.pdf


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Did you think that Reich was the only "critical listening" wacko?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... s-defense/


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Rumpole wrote:
Clearly there were no major announcements in the case today.

So ... I have been contemplating .......

It seems to me that there ARE some clear aspects of financial and political scheming. I keep waiting for some major break and the whole mess to start unravelling..... but it has not happened yet. Everybody is playing their hand with a straight face.... I am still waiting for one of the players to blink!!

I will be disappointed if this case gets as far as a trial.. there is so much WRONG with the foundation of it.

It will be a travesty if it even gets to court and lawyers are arguing the sort of crap that has been posted about it at JQ (et al)
Ghosts in the clubhouse
Accomplices (and a cockatoo) on NEN call
George's injuries
distances from the T
TM's height
George's cries for help
etc

The case itself is simple.... George shot TM in self defence. That is crystal clear in Georges description... NOTHING seen in evidence counters that. The rest is just a Circus show to be performed in front of a jury....

It seems to be a result of getting past the Probable Cause, and we've been there for some time as a result of political corruption on both sides, which I do not believe had anything to do with the possibility that any crime took place.

Once they got through that hurdle, Bernie's objective looked more it would be to present a case for CYA of all on his team …and maybe even the Crump Team, so long as it does not fall back into his lap.

I believe, as many others have appeared to also, that Bernie wanted the pre-trial hearing so he could get that CYA through creating reasonable doubt (or whatever is needed) about GZ's effort to prove his innocence.

Since the self-defense strategy looks to be where the case will and should go at trial, most 'pro-GZ' forums of communication center on that strategy and the negative mind frame of TM's conduct that led up to the need for GZ to defend his life.

I agree 100% that GZ was defending his life, but few ever discuss what they anticipate Bernie will do at trial… think how they would try to prove GZ is guilty so they'll have a better idea how Bernie will produce the CYA he needs.

What does Bernie need to accomplish now? If the trial goes to a jury verdict, is that sufficient, and how will he get to that point?

I respect the comments from all on what can't be presented without DD testifying, but Bernie's motion to suppress all negative records of TM's life and the audio experts issues O'Mara is hoping to suppress tells me Bernie is stuck with making it appear TM was defending himself, and he plans to get that case across with or without DD.

We should build a storyline anticipated to come from Bernie and consider what it will do to this "simple" case if we want to face the reality of what will happen at trial.


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BDLR's anticipated story:

GZ Background: Neighborhood Watch, prior calls to police about youth burglars, Neighborhood Watch meeting, training, not supposed to pursue or carry gun, GZ lives in neighborhood, familiar with neighborhood and streets. GZ criminal justice training. Knows the law. Implication: GZ knows how to conform his story to requirements of law.

NEN call: GZ profiled TM as a criminal because he was walking in the rain with a hoodie: fuarking punk, azzholes always get away. GZ followed, even after dispatcher told him not to follow. Looking for an address excuse is BS, GZ was still pursuing TM. BDLR will reference NEN call as containing running and wind noise from running. BDLR will reference GZ's prior calls to cops, purchase of gun as demonstrating GZ's evolution into crazed vigilante who wants to stop azzhole fuarking punk from always getting away.

TM returning from 7-11: This is a big problem. I think W8 would get shredded. Chad might fold and his story is inconsistent with purchase of a single WMFJC and a bag of skittles. Not two drinks and no snack for TM. There is also the half time basketball game problem and why Chad didn't hear shooting and sirens and other commotion. The 7-11 video shows a scary hooded, pants sagging thug. 3 stooges drug deal might surface. So if I were BDLR, I would be inclined to skip the 7-11 trip and have cop testify about what was found at scene of shooting: WMFJC and candy. Not really pertinent where or why he bought items. No drugs, burglary tools, stolen property, no bag for carrying burglary tools or stolen property and no weapons. Just simple facts: We found dead kid with WMFJC, skittles, lighter, a small amount of money (no drugs or big drug dealer cash), headphones, cell phone, button. No gang tattoos, has his momma's name on his arm. Nothing consistent with any intention to commit a crime. Dead kid was staying with father and girlfriend in the neighborhood. [That simple little last part might be a problem, maybe just have cop testify that he subsequently located TM father staying in neighborhood and looking for missing kid. Don't want to open the door into why TM was staying in the neighborhood. Maybe Nelson helps out by banning mention of anything bad about TM.]

Timeline: If GZ was returning to his truck after NEN call, he would have been at his truck. GZ had no intention of returning to his truck as evidenced by telling dispatcher to have the cops call him upon arrival, rather than meet him at his truck. "have them call me and I'll tell them where I'm at" GZ was hunting TM, didn't want "fuarking azzhole punk to always get away" If I was BDLR, I would make that my mantra. Try to say it as many times as possible. GZ evolved into an obsessed gun toting Neighborhood Watch vigilante, falsely profiled TM as a criminal, and consistently pursued him to keep "the fuarking azzhole punk from always getting away." Depraved state of mind.

Confrontation / Fight: TM body and phone 30 or 40 feet away from T where GZ alleges he was attacked. GZ chased TM down the T. Witness heard confrontation moving in that direction. GZ advancing, chasing fuarking azzhole punk to prevent him from always getting away. TM retreating. No GZ blood found in vicinity of T. TM has only one tiny cut on his knuckle. Inconsistent with administering MMA beating. GZ has minor scrapes on head, inconsistent with beating head repeatedly against sidewalk. GZ sustained broken nose after he chased TM down and attempted to keep him from getting away. GZ started the fight. Sybrina & Cutcher - TM was screaming for help. Poor little boy was screaming for help. [I think Nelson would be doing BDLR a favor if she banned the flaky voice experts. Cross-ex and rebuttal would be extremely ugly, and would make it appear that BDLR is engaged in a desperate attempt to BS the jury. Don't put Tracy on the stand for voice ID. Just Sybrina and Cutcher.] I would also call W 6 so that the jury won't be surprised later, dark, not sure who was screaming for help, guy in red was on the bottom, but didn't see or hear blows struck, didn't hear head hitting sidewalk. Austin saw somebody on the ground, doesn't know anything else, didn't see anybody on top throwing blows, didn't hear blows or head hitting sidewalk.

Medical / Gunshot: Kid is dead, shot in the heart by Z's gun. Shot placement intended to kill, not merely disable or stop attack. GZ shot to kill.

Aftermath: GZ astride TM, holding his hands apart, down, still trying to prevent the fuarking, azzhole punk from trying to get away. GZ still obsessed, depraved: keep fuarking azzhole punk from trying to get away. Depraved Neighborhood Watch vigilante gone wild. Not trying to help TM, not lying or sitting on ground as if he had a serious head injury or had sustained repeated blows to the head. GZ lucid and nonchalant, tells neighbor to call wife and tell her he just shot somebody, tells cop he shot the kid. No big deal, not agitated or distraught or dazed or confused. [BDLR has already filed motion to exclude GZ's "I was screaming but nobody would help." as a self-serving statement. This is a very important motion, imho.] GZ declined medical treatment beyond cleaning up blood from superficial abrasions.

Then rest and see if defense puts GZ on the stand. Cross GZ with inconsistent statements if he testifies. Make him look absurd. You've lived in the neighborhood for how long? You are Neighborhood Watch and regularly patrol neighborhood. You have previously called police numerous times, yet you still don't know the names of the streets? Serious injury? Fear for your life? You thought you were sustaining life threatening blows to the head, but you refused to go to the hospital. Isn't it true that you had determined in your mind that TM was a "fuarking punk" ? Isn't it true that you had determined in your mind that TM was an "azzhole who always gets away" ? Isn't it true that you had determined in your mind that TM was a criminal intending to commit a crime in the neighborhood? Isn't it true that you called the police because you believed in your mind that TM was a criminal intending to commit a crime in the neighborhood?


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John G:

Who does Bernie put on the stand to testify to what parts of that?

I'm sure he'll pack as much into his opening statement as he can get away with (as will opposing counsel, no doubt), but eventually even Nelson is going to tell him he can't testify himself.

So he needs someone else to in order to get it in front of the jury.

Who does he pick to say what?


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