Yeah exactly. I don't know if Trayvon's arms were spread out as far as George remembered, but it's pretty obvious they were also NOT underneath him as the one police report said. And I had forgotten about John's comment, so yeah. All in all, there goes ANOTHER of the Trayvonites' bits of "evidence against" George. Do they have ANYTHING left? Other than the slight chance that the cockatoo will confess to being George's accomplice, that is?...

I never understand the cockatoo story. You know how I am about ignoring BS from the other side. Can you briefly explain it?

You know how they were going through all the Clubhouse videos, supposedly finding all kinds of little details (that weren't really there)? Well, they did the same with the NEN and 911 calls. (I know we did too.) And at some point (I think mainly in the NEN call) they decided they could hear other people talking besides George. And of course they labelled those people potential accomplices. One of them also talked about hearing music at one point, and even a bird like a cockatoo. You know... these people are pretty, umm... odd. So anyway, since they brought it up, we feel obligated to take the cockatoo thing seriously. Now we just have to determine whether the birdie is an accomplice of George, or was trying to help Trayvon in some way, or is simply a neutral witness. ;)

I just searched "Ludwig" here... he/she was the main driving force of the Cockatoo and 4 accomplices story

Some info here

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=584&p=19123&hilit=ludwig#p19123


It really is not much of a story.. I just use it as a hook to point out how bizarre posters are when they build on what they think might be real.. rather than facts.

The cockatoo has only grown in importance BECAUSE we make fun of it so much... It really is just an icon instantly pointing to Traybot stupidity

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Of course one of George's accomplices probably moved the arms for the Cockatoo. The Cockatoo probably just hollered out directions.

You guys are nuts. Sorry I even asked. This why I never paid any attention to any of this stuff. Now if you said it was a cockatiel.. that would make sense.

Chip, about that quote that Gilbreath had not seen the medical reports... HE may not have seen them but that 4 page report was faxed over to an investigator, Attn: Investigator S and assuming it to be Serino on 3/9/12.

This is the line from the fax that accompanied it:



I am not saying that Gilbreath had not seen it but I find it hard to believe that they kept it from him. Maybe O'Steen was covering that part since they divided up the workload. My thought is that he was not being exactly truthful in the matter or they put him into a position of Plausible Deniability. Frankly, I thought he came across as smug about it. They held meetings to discuss evidence and witnesses. At some stage they were all together for that APC and made no effort to include any exculpatory evidence that supported Zimmerman's narrative.

Just Sayin'...

Again I am having to resort to a cached version of the report thru GZ Legal. I have no idea what is up with that site.

So Gilbreath says shell 'casings' (plural) at the Bond Hearing? Sloppy.

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As well as this DAILY discussion thread abot the GZ case... there is also

The Other "Private" thread, which includes "Daily Daft Posts From Justarse Quest"

viewtopic.php?f=45&t=822&p=26170#p26169





If only Trayvon had kept his hands in his pockets, none of this would have happened.

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I have seen comment that I, and "Random Topics" are primarily interested in what "The opposition" say.

I certainly DO take an interest in JQ... because I know the place, and I enjoy a good laugh.

But...... over here at RT there is a TOTALLY SEPARATE AREA for that!!!

I don't do much commenting on the various other sites besides JQ, comment sections at news sites, or twitter etc

I don't even visit and read at such places. I only know when OTHERS quote from such sources....

So I plead not guilty.


I do want this thread to stay focused on the case proper, and as you may have noticed I strive to keep it ON TOPIC.

NOT talking about what other sites are saying, or housekeeping issues such as posting problems.

In a FORUM like this, a CASE DISCUSSION THREAD such as this CAN stay focused because there are also other threads to discuss help, and posting problems, and what other forums are doing etc etc

What specific aspects of the Zimmerman case get discussed is over to what people post.

Whatever my focus...... I am only one of many. It's not a blog where I write an essay about some aspect and set the topic for discussion.

I do have a LOT of stuff to be doing as well as the Zimmerman case. Discussion has to proceed without me most of the time anyway


The world is your oyster people... have at it!

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GZ v NBC

It's unfortunate but you have to go to the "other side" for information and updates, I guess that's the way O'Mara likes it. I just don't get O'Mara, what the hell is the point of this https://twitter.com/GZvNBC if he's not going to utilize it. And don't get me started on his other site.

http://tmwarriors.wordpress.com/

Wow thanks Dman.. another GZ Site

GZ V NBC

http://gzvnbc.com/


George Zimmerman Sues NBC

on 06 December 2012. Posted in Documents
On Thursday, December 6, 2012, George Zimmerman filed a legal complaint against NBCUniversal Media, LLC and three individuals who were employed by NBCUniversal Media, LLC, Inc. during the time relevant to the complaint: Ron Allen, Lilia Rodriguez Luciano, and Jeff Burnside. The 24-page complaint alleges “NBC News saw the death of Trayvon Martin not as a tragedy but as an opportunity to increase ratings, and so set about to create the myth that George Zimmerman was a racist and predatory villain.” The complaint, filed in Seminole County, demands a trial by jury, and demands damages sufficient to invoke the jurisdiction of the Circuit Court.

Document: George Zimmerman v. NBCUniversal Media, LLC (link does not work.. but it might.... later)
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/document ... plaint.pdf



About GZvNBC.com

on 06 December 2012. Posted in Press Releases
This GZvNBC.com website is operated on behalf of George Zimmerman by the O’Mara Law Group and The Beasley Firm, LLC. The purpose of the website is to provide news and public documents related to Mr. Zimmerman’s complaint against NBC. Like the GZLegalCase.com website, this site necessary to counter the avalanche of negative publicity -- and as the George Zimmerman v. NBCUniversal Media, LLC. complaint alleges –- including deceptive and exploitative journalism that has defamed the character of George Zimmerman.

This GZvNBC.com website will share many of the same goals outlined in the article entitled “Why Social Media for George Zimmerman” on the GZLegalCase.com website, especially the goal of Disputing Misinformation. However, in the case of the GZvNBC.com website, we intend on disputing misinformation with the same publicity and vigor that it was originally spread by NBC.

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I started a separate archive for documents etc related to the CIVIL Case. (No Discussion)

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=838&p=26180#p26179

NBC CIVIL SUIT

Motion to stay proceedings:
http://tmwarriors.files.wordpress.com/2 ... edings.pdf

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Just now finding out about the twitter and site rumpole?

Here's the docket as well: http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CivilDocke ... 12CA006178

All of those links and much more can be found here: http://diwataman.wordpress.com/evidence ... rman-case/ ;)

I was not going to pay the Civil Suit too much attention

Of course it is related.. but NOT part of State Fl V GZ


I do have links to your site/stuff amongst documents...

You are welcome to add more... where appropriate.


Maybe a list? with links

GOOD STUFF AT DIWATAMAN BLOG

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Seems rather important to the "other side" though;

to 2010's high-profile Orlando attorney Natalie Jackson

https://twitter.com/NatJackEsq/status/3 ... 0232345601

Nite all

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"Seems rather important to the "other side" though"

Scheme Team is the root cause of the false media narrative. Thus, they face potential lawsuits from media as well as Z and family. They also face potential depositions and other discovery in civil actions. Natural for them to take a keen interest.

The thread with the NBC documents says "no discussion", I don't know where to discuss it, and it seems somewhat related, so here goes:

Edit Rumpole:
Discussion here along with the criminal trial is fine. I just wanted a separate archive for any documents etc
IF there is a lot of activity relating to the Civil case... we could have a separate thread for that.... if people want



Read NBC's motion for stay. Does it contain false statements?

http://tmwarriors.files.wordpress.com/2 ... edings.pdf

The motion extensively references an affidavit of Jennifer Pinkerton-Burke (JPB Affidavit) which is not included with the pdf motion, but which was apparently filed with the court. Portions of the motion cite the affidavit for factual support.

#1: See page 2 of the motion: "as he walked to the residence of his father's fiance" Wasn't Tracy still married to Alicia on February 26? Didn't Tracy call Brandy "a girlfriend" rather than fiance?

#2: Motion, page 2: "Zimmerman founded and served as the head of a Neighborhood Watch program" Is that true?

#3: Motion, page 3: All of Z's calls to police in the 7 months prior to February 26 were about suspicious blacks. Is that true?