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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:45 pm 
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So now i am debating with someone on whether or not TM de end up right near his dad's place and then went back to confront GZ. This Traybot is claiming the since we don't know what DeeDee means by "Near", it could be all the way down by where his body was found. Didn't I hearher say she heard people around Trayvon and that she thought he would be safe? What evidence is there that Trayvon went to his dad's, or really close and went back to confront GZ?

Oh, i could have swore I heard her say "in the second yard over", is this true? Cause if Trayvon told her that then doesn't it mean we can say that he did go back north to confront GZ?



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I heard her say "two houses down" from Green's place. Must have meant two doors because two buildings is far outside the other testimony.

I think there is a mix of testimonies going on.

The hysterical woman talked about two yards from T.. exactly where TM's body was outside John's door.

That is nothing to do with what DD said about TM at the opposite end of the row of houses

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Question(s):

If Witness #8 said one thing under oath in disposition, and alters that in court -- are there any legal consequences for her?

If she in fact goes on-line tonight to tweet or chat, or communicates with anyone in any other way about the trial and it's uncovered, what would the judge do about that? And would the defense be able to use that kind of disregard for the legal process to impeach her character to the jury?

When West asked early in his cross what she knew about what happened to Trayvon, and she said she never watched the news, knowing what he knows about her Facebook use, why didn't he follow up and ask if she heard anything about it on social media?

She claims she was concerned for Trayvon's safety when he first said 'a cracker' was following him (she worried it could be a 'molester'). But after a subsequent confrontation with that possible molester, followed by the well known distinct sounds of 'wet thuds' on wet grass' and a disconnected phone, why didn't she try to reconnect with Trayvon more then one time? Could it be she wasn't worried about his safety at that point because she never heard any interchange between George & Trayvon? And shouldn't West have followed up with that line of questioning?

And I already know the answer to this question, but I'll pose it anyway: Why didn't West ask Witness #8 if it was common for Trayvon Martin to use disparaging racist terms like "cracker" for Whites, to establish the counter-claim it Trayvon's racist inclinations that caused him to confront and attack 'cracker' George Zimmerman?

#8 could literally show up tomorrow at the crack of 2 p.m., drunk and staggering, swear at the judge and insist she won't take the stand but wants everyone to know that she was lying then and is lying now and whatcha' gon' do about it? And nothing will happen to her. Just like nothing happened to the lying jurors to try to set an example to discourage others from lying.

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The Traybots are applauding Rachel's great memory, inc. that the defense stood her up on a Fri. Defense responded that it was a scheduling problem.

This might be a stupid question, but why is the state allowed to witness the depos of their witnesses? The defense isn't allowed to witness the state's witness depos.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:50 pm 
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liesel wrote:
Both of your posts in this vein are inarguably true. However, guitarjeff is arguing with Trayborg™ and they accept this nonsense and hold it dearer than gospel. So for guitarjeff's purposes, we replied with a Trayborg™ approved, Trayborg™ smack-down of DD "fact".


I am doing what I can with it..... convincing a Trayborg is comparable with putting toothpaste back in a tube... you can't do it.

If (Hypothetically) they conceded you made a correct point... they would simply default to "Well Trayvon would still be alive if George had stayed in his Truck"

Funny part is... they do no "Stay in the truck" themselves (metaphorically speaking) they move away from the "Truck" chant to these other areas of argument.

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Rumpole wrote:

I think there is a mix of testimonies going on.

The hysterical woman talked about two yards from T.. exactly where TM's body was outside John's door.

That is nothing to do with what DD said about TM at the opposite end of the row of houses

Oh please, please, Mr. Rumpole, Sir, don't make me go listen to DD to find where she said two houses down from his dad's fiancee's... please... :NN6

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taurus wrote:
The Traybots are applauding Rachel's great memory, inc. that the defense stood her up on a Fri. Defense responded that it was a scheduling problem.

This might be a stupid question, but why is the state allowed to witness the depos of their witnesses? The defense isn't allowed to witness the state's witness depos.

Both sides are allowed at all depos. LE interviews, otoh, not so much. And when BDLR originally interviewed DD, GZ hadn't been charged, iirc, so wouldn't have standing to be there.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:03 pm 
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Rumpole wrote:

I am doing what I can with it..... convincing a Trayborg is comparable with putting toothpaste back in a tube... you can't do it.

If (Hypothetically) they conceded you made a correct point... they would simply default to "Well Trayvon would still be alive if George had stayed in his Truck"

Funny part is... they do no "Stay in the truck" themselves (metaphorically speaking) they move away from the "Truck" chant to these other areas of argument.

One of the many reasons I don't debate Trayborg™. Another is they smell funny.

Guitarjeff of the hyper cool song (maybe you've heard of it?) and equally superior video, which can be found below, otoh, was debating and I do have sympathy. ;)


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I hope the jury was paying attention when Bernie pulled the little stunt with Jeannee Manaloo. When reading back her depo he conveniently left out the significant sentences preceding the portion he read to mislead the jury. If I'm on the jury, I see the prosecutor as the liar he is.


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taurus wrote:
The Traybots are applauding Rachel's great memory, inc. that the defense stood her up on a Fri. Defense responded that it was a scheduling problem.


Traybots need to face reality. They couldn't convict GZ with a jury of black high school girls after the Rachel debacle.

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Any evidence Witness #8 actually heard a confrontation between GZ and TM?
It's just her word, right?

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18th Circuit Court - Media Advisories

It is the goal of the Eighteenth Judicial Circuit to ensure that the media and public are accommodated to the best of the Court's abilities during special interest/high profile proceedings. Below you will find media advisories and public record documents pertaining to State v. Zimmerman (2012-CF-001083-A). Please continue to check this website for updates. Documents will be posted as they are made available for public distribution.

HIGH PROFILE CASES - State v. Zimmerman (2012-CF-001083-A)

http://www.flcourts18.org/presspublic.html


Media Advisories are updated with new releases

Updated | Case Description
6/25/13 Exhibit & Identification List
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Rel ... 20List.pdf

6/25/13 Minutes for Trial
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Rel ... 0Trial.pdf

6/25/13 Order Excluding the Opinion Testimony of Mr. Owen and Dr. Reich
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Rel ... 0Reich.pdf

6/25/13 Motion to Extend Juror Anonymity Timeline
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Rel ... meline.pdf

6/25/13 Notice of Hearing
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Rel ... earing.pdf

6/24/13 State's Motion in Limine Regarding Computer Animation
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Rel ... mation.pdf

6/24/13 Minutes for Trial
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Rel ... 0Trial.pdf

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kbp wrote:
I heard her say a couple houses, I thought.
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Yes but how would she KNOW that? She is making it up. Embelishing the story as she gets cues from people questioning her..... this is becoming more farcical by the minute. The more she is questioned the more she will revise.
My bet is that... her mental problems.. and likely effects of alcohol.. perhaps drugs perhaps prescription meds means she does not really remember ANYTHING of the night. She barely remembers what she has been led to say in previous interviews

But... give her the opportunity to tell the rehearsed storyline without an interuption and she has it mastered.


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jayjerome wrote:
Any evidence Witness #8 actually heard a confrontation between GZ and TM?
It's just her word, right?


+ phone records, although W8 phone records are for an anonymous prepaid phone.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:28 pm 
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LOL,,,stacks is calling Rachel a bitch for lying... :lol


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Trayvon profiled George as a creepy ass cracker rapist nigga. With a depraved mind, Travyon then sucker punched George and beat his head against a concrete sidewalk.

Insert "white' and revise to cracka. It has a different meaning, though I question if any jurors will know that. Maybe the black>black/Hispanic>Hispanic>white juror from Chicago will know.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:32 pm 
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jayjerome wrote:
Any evidence Witness #8 actually heard a confrontation between GZ and TM?
It's just her word, right?


Correct.

But some proper detailed phone data would perhaps set some limits on what is possibly true in what she claims.

Impersonating Waltherppk: The Ping Logs AND GPS phone data should have been obtained with hours? certainly a day or two of the event... why that wasn't done beggars description.

We will get some call times which will at least give some idea of the timeline and when DD might possibly have heard something. But so much more should have been available a year and a half ago? We might even have had evidence to show where "right by his father house" is.

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I look forward to the cartoon version of events

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Will West bring up to Rachel that she lied under oath once before and the state admitted it?


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Branca's recap is up: http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zi ... witnesses/

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Thanks Rumpole!

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