This is pretty much my speculation going wild...and probably will end up being a little disjointed since it is around 4am... LOL!

Anyone who thinks that Tracy Martin didn't access his phone records until much later in March have to be living in a cloud of delusion.

He was certainly aware that the police had that phone as part of the evidence. Why else would he say that he needed to ask his lawyer about the PIN on 3/05? Had Martin and Crump already discussed that phone? This was right after Crump was hired. Tracy Martin would have had a sit down with him to tell him everything he knew about the case and Crump would have vetted Tracy Martin to decide whether he was in or out of the case.

Just the fact that LE asked about the phone would have probably the mental nudge he needed to go online and look for activity. He may even been aware that the police tried to use that Celabrite the very first night and while still at the crime scene since they had no ID on Martin. He could have learned that during his interviews with Serino. ((I have never read any interview done by Serino/Martin and the one that is in question wasn't recorded.))

So Tracy Martin had access to the NEN call within a day or two of the shooting. Serino played it for him and he failed to identify the person yelling as his son. He had all of the key points right there for the narrative that Crump needed to build. There was no reason to wait until the 18th to contact Dee Dee. What they needed was for Sanford to release the NEN call and the 911 to firm up the narrative built. They pressured the Chief and the mayor to do that.

Tracy Martin doesn't seem to be shy about getting information. I have no doubt that he did try to get W8 to go, if not to the police, to Crump a much more sympathic ear. He may have been too blunt or assertive for W8 and she put the kibosh on him.

He then gave the phone info to Sybrina who made contact with her. She gave it her best shot and seems to have been more successful since she got W8 to her house where she asked her to go to the police while they were in the yard area of her complex. She didn't say when she talked to W8, just that it was after the funeral and prior to the 18th in her media interview. The SAO also interviewed her at Sybrina's apartment.

My think is that they had everything in place long before 3/18-3/20. A lawyer doesn't want to be put in a position of asking a question and not knowing the answer. They had the answer. They created the answer with W8. They just needed the questions to be raised.

And they certainly didn't want any kind of Grand Jury review so Wolfinger had to go.

Matt Gutman said they talked to W8 off and on for days and found her to be credible. Days? So that puts him in the picture how much sooner than the day before the "exclusive" ran. Did they record any of those mini interviews? Did they edit those interviews into a cohesive "exclusive?" Did Crump establish some kind of scope for the questions that Gutman could ask? I think I will tweet Seni Tienabeso and ask because I have been curious about this for weeks.

Frankly, I was shocked that he admitted to me that he was there for the interview since Crump said that he was an "assistant for Gutman" and that Crump conveniently forgot his name.

Hi Deb... seems pretty good for any time of day.... maybe you perk up at 4AM

I saw a copy of Seni Tienabeso tweet posted at CTH... I did not pay any attention who it was a communication with (may have been you) But it was confirmation that he was the Guttman assistant.

The Multiple Dee Dee's and phones...... I can follow several variations... all plausible. I have no idea what the ABSOLUTE true story is on either... but clearly there are shenanigans going on.

That seems to involve incompetence, half truths... perhaps outright lies. I do think it brings Dee Dee evidence into question.. if not discredits it altogether. There may well be cause for Civil and or Criminal proceedings against various members of the Scheme Team.

I wait with antici........................pation!!

edit: I see it was tweet to Deborah frmhell
I guess that's your POSH name

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Here is that BRILLIANT poster from CTH - Rumpole2

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... ent-258953


rumpole2 says:
December 8, 2012 at 5:25 am

As I foretold………

LIMPapa has made one of his hilarious video mashes out of More-inane Dave’s recent “Walk Thru” vid

It is by far the funniest one yet!!!!!

You may not believe this… but honestly, I could not “make up” something this bizarre and stupid……

I kid you not!! He has added part of Dee Dee’s voice as sound track!!
(Narrative from interview with BDLR)

Really unintelligible, and unintelligent, drivel really is a fitting sound track for a LIMPapa production.
( He has dimmed the picture and made it black and white.. I guess to imply evening? But that doesn’t work of course)

I was NOT going to provide a link….. I don’t want to give LIMPass any hits at YT… but this is TOO HILARIOUS to not share.
(Perhaps if people view as embedded YT, rather than watching at YT.. it will not add to the YT “hit count”)

One point I noticed: Dee Dee is saying “Right by his father’s house” before the walker (Imaginary GZ) has got near the start of the path towards the T.

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LOL! **POSH** Gee, I feel sooo freaking sophisticated. ((As I sit here in sweats and Tee)) There ain't but one DebFrmHell. Google my screen name sometimes and you will see.

Everytime I think I can't take a minute more of the phones I go off on a tangent. It bugs me witless. So many questions and really no good answers other than the information is being sandbagged by the State. If it is information that can be used to clear George Zimmerman, the State is loathed to give it up. MOM is right. The more discovery he gets, the better it is for him.

I just can't go there with the multiple Dee Dees. It is such a HUGE risk, why would anyone take it? It defies logic, IMO. I get the lying about her age. I get that the narrative was created for her. When I say, that I mean that I can understand using her to the Crump advantage. Not that it is right.

I really need to relisten to the Matt Gutman exclusive again. I haven't really tried lately. W8 was so slow talking in the SAO interview. So the difference could be that she was under the influence of Oxycontin with BdlR and clear-headed with Gutman. Again my IMO.

As a sidenote:
I don't know if this will make sense but I have an accent, right? I am from Texas. Sometimes, when I am trying to be funny in a serious way, I can dumb it down in a heartbeat by using people's perceptions of "slow-talking Southerners" and using it to my advantage. People don't challenge what I say even if it is something outrageous. I play on that stereotype and I do it very well at whim.

I thought the same about Dee Dee when I listened to her interview with the SAO. That fact that he was leading her through much of the interview made it that much easier.

I don't KNOW about the multiple Dee Dee's.. but Sundance and others at CTH make a good argument.

Certainly it is very plausible that Crump/Julison/Scheme team "invented" Dee Dee based on real fb contact(s) of TM..... and she went along with a story largely created by the schemers.... she may (or may not) have had some phone contact with TM that day... but not to the extent of the made up story.. and not necessarily in the minutes before the shooting. I think there is a girl about 16 years old who may well have been the base for this Dee Dee... may even have been the Dee Dee that Crump interviewed?
I don't find it too far fetched to accept that girl got "cold feet" and pulled out. Clearly the 18 year old is NOT the 16 year old previously described? So 2 Dee Dee's has merit?
I saw somebody quip today that the different sounding voice could be due to being under the influence of different drugs..... MANY a true word spoken in jest?

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Some of it does make sense, I mean if you are trying to fit a piece into a puzzle and it just won't fit...sometimes it takes two pieces. IDK.

I sent a tweet to Seni RE: Did Crump issue some kind of a scope for questions to Dee Dee or did Matt Gutman have free rein.

There is a reason I asked this. How is this for a conspiracy theory? Crump gives Gutman the original copy of his recording with Dee Dee and Gutman tailors questions to match said recording? Without actually ever meeting W8? "Exclusive" is a result of two different recordings being married together by editing then rerecorded as a cohesive unit.

Keep in mind I know absolutely nothing about the ins and outs of editing recordings...hell, anything for that matter!!! Can this be done?

It does not sound too bad as a THEORY... something we can test against evidence not yet seen... but don't go all Trayvon Zone-ish and regard it as FACT just yet... be prepared to say "no... I see it's not true now"

The Crump recording we have heard DOES show signs of very basic stop/start editing and its of such poor sound quality (intentionally IMO) that is could very easily be a splice of two or more conversions.... simply played on one device and recorded on another..... so your Theory has some merit.

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If I get that crazy, feel free to just shoot me.

Sometimes I jump on the conspiracy bandwagon...sometimes I just jump off. Who knows which of those times this is.

I am wondering if W8 was saying things she wanted off the record and that is why he continually turned that recorder off. Something along the lines of her "I got guilt." Something like her part in encouraging him to go back? What better reason not to contact authorities if you believe that you could be found culpable?

I don't think Martin was laying in wait the whole time he was off the grid, around 4 minutes. I think he was/could have been encouraged by an 18yr old female he wanted to impress. For a guy who had recently turned 17, getting together with an 18yr old would be very cool...IMO only...because I was a teen once.

And he could have just been pissed that he was "disrespected" by Zimmerman but that doesn't make much sense either if the last time he saw him before the altercation, GZ was a guy sitting in a car talking on his phone. How do you lose a guy sitting in a car? Unless you know he has gotten out of the car.

My thought on his travels is that he ran to the "T" and went south, crossed over to TTL between buildings nearer to the Green TH and saw that Zimmerman was no longer in his truck, then decided to go back to see where he might have gone. Zimmerman has the flashlight on so that would announce the direction he was headed. TM see the light coming back from RVC towards the "T" and hides behind a fence. He hears Zimmerman talking to dispatch and confronts him after he has hung up. When GZ goes for his phone again, he punched him in the face.

Teens these days have little fear of adults. They do have fear of LE involvement. Especially, if you are a teen already in trouble and on suspension. His father's GF works in Juvie, right? How do you think...TM would think if he got detained by LE after leaving the house he got sent to because of his suspension? I seriously doubt he "begged" to go to the store. I think he snuck out and didn't want to get caught. He picked the wrong guy to give a beat down to and got shot for his efforts.

I guess my point is that for all of the reasons that Martin had for returning to that "T" intersection, and I believe that W8 knows that reason and scared isn't one of them, all point towards his intent.

Intent that leads to assaulting Zimmerman.



Just long-winded IMO.

We have had the “walk thru” through the eyes of LIMPapa’s, Moreinane Dave, TM, and now the mythical DeeDee 2.01
I suggest Moreinane and LIMParts get together with the dope who hears 4 accomplices and a cockatoo and they produce the definitive work:

A “Fly Thru” seen from the perspective of the cockatoo

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“I don’t know, I don’t know ‘em! I’m begging you? HELPPPPPPPP!”

I have repeatedly explained this!!
Any ornithologist will confirm the from the pitch and timbre of the utterances…. it identifies the voice as coming from… a Lesser Sulphur-crested Cockatoo

The Yellow-crested Cockatoo (Cacatua sulphurea) also known as the Lesser Sulphur-crested Cockatoo, is a medium-sized (approximately 34 cm long) cockatoo with white plumage, bluish-white bare orbital skin, grey feet, a black bill, and a retractile yellow crest. The sexes are similar. Lessor, the cockatoo used in the TV series Baretta, was a Yellow-crested Cockatoo.

The actual “transcript” of the birds uttering is contained in a secret FBI document
(“They have the best recording devices in the world” – Bejamin Crump)

What the cockatoo says is:

“Polly wanna cracker, Polly wanna cracker… Faaark… faaark …I don’t know, I don’t know ‘em! I’m begging you? FAAAAAAAAAARK!!”

Crime Scene Photo:

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OMD!!!!

Well, that blows the whole thing out of the water!!!

Connect the dots!

Faaark… faaark …FAAAAAAAAAARK!!”




WHAT THE ?? i have not been following this i though the dingo did it

They had a go at this at JQ... they seem to miss most of the dots... and draw connections any old where they imagined....

Still they Stand By their version....

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Trouble with you Ockers.... you always just blame the damned Dingo!!!

In this case all the evidence points to the cockatoo.... mate!!

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Seriously, how did you do that?

I don't have any modern fancy software... but I have been using basics for 4 years.... its just GZ pic grayscale overlaid and transparency adjusted... lines drawn with a very basic old version of "PAINT" that comes with windows.

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LOL! First, I thought that I was being original. Then, I thought that JQ used the same silly bird to connect the dots. Then, I thought you had saved it to your computer.

I can't decide to be embarrassed or not for being so technology deficient.

ha it worked for Lindy so if its not broke why change it cockatoos are no good with guns koalas are better