Why not ask Dr Bao if he ever served in the Military?

FGS!! TM had no injury to his brain or spinal cord. Of course he could move and talk after that gunshot wound. No injury preventing him from moving or talking. West ask him that. Oh wait, West has no idea what he would say?

AND... Bao didn't even do the autopsy in the other case about another guy that has nothing to do with this case. AND... he doesn't know if TM™ could move, or how much, and can't say TM™ didn't move his hands. Wow!

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2:35 p.m.
Dr. Bao says a man shot three weeks ago shot by his father. He says he did not do autopsy on the case, but had interest because it was very similar.

He says the 40 year old man was shot in the heart and the bullet went through the right ventricle and it’s rare that they know exactly the time that he was alive.

He says the father called 911 and heard the noises the man made and he was pronounced dead 10 minutes later.

He says he was interested in the case because he was preparing for this case.

Dr. Bao says the one to 10 minutes is for a margin of error.

West asks about Dr. Bao saying Martin would not be able to move after the injury to his heart.

Dr. Bao says yes.

He says he thinks he could move a bit and make painful noise based on the other case.

“I think he was able to move a little bit,” Dr. Bao says.

West asks if he could pull his hands in.

“Only one person knows,” Dr. Bao says.

West asks Judge Nelson to tell the witness to answer the question. Dr. Bao begins speaking.

Judge Nelson tells Dr. Bao he needs to wait for a question to be asked.

“Your opinion is that Trayvon Martin may have been able to move some after sustaining the shot you just don’t know how much or for how long?”

West asks

Dr. Bao confirms.

2:27 p.m
West asks about the BMI of 22 based on Martins length and weight.

Dr. Bao confirms that is in the normal range for someone his height and weight.

West asks about the length of time Martin might have lived.

“One to 10 minutes,” Dr. Bao says.

He says it is based on his experience.

West asks if he has done research submitted for peer reviewed publication.

Dr. Bao says not in the last 6 months, and he is not published in the area of gunshot wounds.

West asks if his source of information is based on review of other people’s work.

Dr. Bao says it is based on his autopsy and other autopsies.

He says he has a clear picture of a man three weeks ago shot. West interrupts and asks the judge to let him ask another question.

West asks about his first opinion expressed at his deposition in November when he said one to three minutes.

Dr. Bao says it was his opinion until three weeks ago because he has new personal experience.

2:19 p.m.
West asks if any photographs show the palms of Martin’s hands.

Dr. Bao says there was one of the abrasions on the left fingers, but doesn’t believe there is one of the palms.

West asks if it is part of protocol to photograph the entire surface of the body.

Dr. Bao says protocol is to take three photos of the whole body and take more as needed.

West asks if it was a conscious decision to not photograph the palm.

Dr. Bao says generally speaking he looks at the palms in every case and would only take a picture if it is significant.

He says he didn’t see injury or disease so he did not document it.

West asks about the lack of photos of Martin’s fingernails.

Dr. Bao says efficiency is important and they take five to 10 photos as needed for cases.

West asks if without the photographs anyone else can look to see if Dr. Bao missed something.

West asks about the abrasion on the left 4th finger and that they could have happened up to two hours before Martin meet Zimmerman.

Dr. Bao confirms.

West asks if it is really hard to determine when someone received an abrasion.

Dr. Bao says yes.

He says it is not consistent with a blow.

He says it could have happened after he was shot on the way to the ground.

Dr. Bao says it could have happened before the met, during the struggle or after he was shot.

West asks if it could have happened when he fell on wet, soggy soil.

Dr. Bao says he doesn’t think so.

He says blood is still in the tissue.

2:09 p.m.
West resumes questioning.

He asks about the blood draw for toxicology being drawn from a peripheral source.

Dr. Bao says generally speaking it should be. He says he never draws blood.

De la Rionda objects. Judge Nelson asks counsel to abide by the pre-trial determination.

West asks about who drew the blood.

He shows Dr. Bao a photo of Martin’s pants.

He shows it to the jury.

2:06 p.m.
West asks about the protocol including fingernail clippings.

Dr. Bao says it is the technician’s job and he has confidence in them, but he cannot keep his eye on them.

West shows him an evidence accountability sheet.

He points out the checkbox marked for finger scrapings and the empty box for fingernail clippings.

Dr. Bao says the chief medical examiner makes those decisions.

He says it is not his job to worry about it.

West asks if Dr. Bao did a blood draw for routine toxicology.

Dr. Bao says his notes the blood is from Martin’s chest.

De la Rionda objects. Judge Nelson says the previous ruling still stands.

West asks if toxicology blood is better drawn from another place.

Dr. Bao says femur blood is best. He says Martin had no other source for blood other than his chest.

De la Rionda objects and the attorneys approach for a sidebar.

2:00 p.m.
West asks Dr. Bao to let them know when he refers to his notes.

West asks about the removal of the clothing and the packaging being marked with the person’s initials indicating chain of custody.

West asks what point the fingernail scrapings are done.

Dr. Bao says the technician usually does it.

West asks if it is practice to use one stick for all five fingers.

Dr. Bao says yes, but he didn’t write the protocol.

West asks if he agrees if one stick is used, there’s no way to tell which finger had biological material.

Dr. Bao says yes.

West asks if protocol says all five fingers should be scraped.

Dr. Bao says he never read the protocol.

He says if he finds something significant, he will write it down and anything not written down isn’t significant.

West asks if he knows what Martins fingernails looked like.

He doesn’t remember.

1:53 p.m.
West resumes questioning.

1:50 p.m.
Dr. Bao says he cannot say yes or no about the effect of marijuana.

He says there could be no effect or some effect and can’t tell how much.

Judge Nelson says based on that the previous ruling remains.

West says he would like Dr. Bao’s notes marked for the record.

The jury is brought back in.

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I hope Bernie is practicing bending over and spreading his cheeks with this witness.

Maybe, but his habit so far has been sort of opposite - I expect he's practicing flapping, yelling, badgering, and angry looks.

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Is BDLR going to try to run out the clock so as to leave defense unable to present GZ parents today, leaving made-for-tv Trayfamily™ (false) testimony with jurors over the weekend?

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He's hilarious, there's no rehabilitating this witness.

He said I don't know Trayvon Martin case.

2:47 p.m.
West finishes questioning. De la Rionda redirects.

2:46 p.m.
West asks him about research done.

Dr. Bao says he does that routinely.

West asks if it is his opinion that the damage to the shirts was a result of contact with the muzzle of the gun.

Dr. Bao says yes.

He says contact to the skin would be very different.

He says there was some distance between the skin and the muzzle.

“I don’t believe it is contact,” Dr. Bao says.

Dr. Bao says he cannot determine distance beyond between .4 inches and four feet, the intermediate range.

He says his job is to make decision of range as the medical examiner.

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2:57 p.m.
De la Rionda finishes questioning. Dr. Bao is excused but subject to recall. Judge Nelson gives a 10 minute recess.

2:56 p.m.
The autopsy report was six pages, Dr. Bao confirms.

He says it is done the same day because you cannot rely on memory.

He says he created notes to help him testify today.

De la Rionda says Dr. Bao provided some definitions and info for the deposition to both the state and defense.

De la Rionda shows photographs from the autopsy.

Dr. Bao says he looked at the hands and understands why they didn’t photograph the hands.

He says it is difficult to photograph without having his own in there because the hands would have needed to be held out.

De la Rionda asks about the fingernail scrapings.

Dr. Bao says he was trained to do it.

De la Rionda asks about blood recovered for DNA purposes.

Dr. Bao confirms.

De la Rionda asks about Martin dying from the gunshot.

“The bottom line,” he says, is that Martin was going to die.

Dr. Bao confirms.

He says he didn’t go to the scene of the event, but reviewed photos and saw the body was covered by an orange cover.

He says he believes the brain was the minimum function.

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After an afternoon of Dr. Bao and his private notes, I doubt the jury will even remember that Sybrina was in court today, much less on the stand.

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State should have ended the day with Sybrina - not this ME - of course, they've not rested their case yet.

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Anybody notice a while back when Dr. Bao made a specific point about not being Bernie's employee or Bernie not being his boss, some separation of powers jurisdictional thing?

Wonder if there's any bad blood or ill will toward Bernie, 'cause I can see Bernie bombasting his way into this guy's office and treating him like just another minion.

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