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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:52 pm 
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flareon wrote:

I don't know. It would have been better for everyone if the state would have been honest from the beginning and informed people that every death isn't a crime and that Mr. Martin's actions largely contributed to what happened that night. Instead they pandered to a certain group and set up a scenario where taxpayer dollars have been squandered and no one will be satisfied.

I just want to point out that SPD and the original prosecutor agreed with you. It was the "special" prosecutor (with a lot of media help) that made this a circus.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:56 pm 
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4:51 p.m.
West asks him where the stain was that was identified as stain A. Gorgone says it was a single source partial profile matching Martin.

West asks where stain D is. Stains B and C are on the back.

Gorgone says Stain B tested negative for blood. Stain C did not have DNA results.

West goes over the sleeve cuffs testing.

“It didn’t smell good, no,” Gorgone says.

West presents the gray sweatshirt for Gorgone to go over.

4:45 p.m.
Gorgone says he left the evidence out to try as long as he could, but it needed to be transformed to the firearms analyst.

He says the transfer from Guzman to himself to Siewert took place in a matter of hours.

Guzman’s work is called sweeping, Gorgone says, which he describes as brushing the item and packaging it into a paper fold for examination.

Gorgone says he uses a piece of filter paper on the clothing and tests the filter paper.

He says he cuts a small portion of the stained areas and puts them in a tube for testing.

Gorgone explains the extraction process.

West asks about the hooded sweatshirt. He asks him to point out the stains and tell the court his findings.

4:38 p.m.

West asks about wet evidence believed to contain biological material.

Gorgone says anything wet should be dried down because if it is packaged it could mold.

West asks if Gorgone was present when the sweatshirt was delivered to FDLE.

He says he only saw it when it was brought to him. It had already been opened and examined by the trace evidence section of the lab, Gorgone says.

He describes the outer container as a brown paper bag and inside that was a red plastic bag usually used for bio-hazardous material which was tied with a knot.

Gorgone says he detected an odor on the dark gray hooded sweatshirt. The light gray one did not have the same odor, meaning it was not as wet.

He says both items were still wet when he opened the package. The light gray one was damp and the dark gray one was more damp, wet, and had a “pungent” odor.

West asks if the clothing should have been air dried or at least packaged in paper.

Gorgone says ideally yes, they should be air dried before packaged and agencies are encourage to not use plastic bags.

The biological evidence is at a risk of damaged, Gorgone confirms.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:57 pm 
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kbp wrote:
Had the state wiaved their right to appeal on the DCA ruling? If so, why would the DCA have entered anything more for the record?

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Legally the order isn't final for 30 days. The DCA won't file mandate until then. However, as a general practice, most, if not everyone, act as if it's final once the opinion is released, unless some sort of challenge is made, such as a request to be heard en banc, meaning the entire court instead of a three judge panel, etc. Whomever lost at the DCA would inform the trial court and the other counsel that they're making whatever motion, etc. to preclude actions until their objection is heard. Blah blah. I think you get the idea. If not, please pm me and I'll try to explain it better. (Emphasis on "try" ;) )

Then one of the two parties must schedule a deposition based on the assumption the other party will cooperate. If either or both parties disregard communicating with the other to schedule such, only the state could have complained about this prior to the mandate.

Did that happen?

I'm trying to find out who may be at blame for delay prior to the mandate (why it was filed).


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I'm sure my local and state representatives are happy this isn't taking place in Texas or they would be receiving weekly letters asking how long were they go to let a case like this go on and waste taxpayer's money. I believe my letters would also be going to my Congressman and Senators as well :TF :41


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I suspect West is burning time here.


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It look like the State is NOT going to call the proper ME? Which would be strange.... always establish basic facts of death and causes... show autopsy pics to gain sympathy?

I guess they are avoiding Tox report etc?

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Give that man a 5 hour energy!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:09 pm 
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kbp wrote:

"...Trayvon deserved better then what the Prosecutors have given him."

He deserved nothing from the prosecutor, but certainly more from his parents.

Much more, I agree. Well said.

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flareon wrote:
Nothing has shown the partiality this judge shows to the prosecution more than her comment that the court will stay until finished tonight. She is guaranteeing that the last person the jury sees will be Mr. Martin's mother. I have never seen this done before.

Very good point. Making sure it stays with them through the day off.

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Rumpole wrote:
It look like the State is NOT going to call the proper ME? Which would be strange.... always establish basic facts of death and causes... show autopsy pics to gain sympathy?

I guess they are avoiding Tox report etc?


Don't they have to put on the ME. Otherwise legally have they actually presented the cause of death? Wouldn't that be grounds for appeal?


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Rumpole wrote:
According to Traybots.....the Manslaughter of a Miah Chile automatically means manslaughter is automatically "aggravated" and so has same penalty as Murder 2

According to Orlando defense attorney Richard Hornsby, they're wrong.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:19 pm 
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5:11 p.m.
De la Rionda asks about stain U on Zimmerman’s jacket.

He asks to assume he is wearing the jacket and demonstrates where Martins DNA could potentially be.

West objects about the questioning being hypothetical.

The attorneys approach for a sidebar.

5:09 p.m.
West asks about Zimmerman’s jacket. He presents the jacket for Gorgone to go over.

Gorgone points out stain N on the front right shoulder. He says the major contributor was Zimmerman, the minor match Martin.

He says more DNA from one over the other, explaining the major and minor terms.

Gorgone points out stain U on the bottom of the right cuff. He says it was also a mixture and Martin was a contributor, but Zimmerman could not be determined.

Stain V was a mixture. Martin could not be excluded or included.

Gorgone points out the stains on the back.

West finishes questioning.

De la Rionda redirects.

5:00 p.m.
Gorgone says the gray sweatshirt was slightly damp.

West asks whose DNA was found on it.

Gorgone says stain A, on the lower right hand side of the shirt, has DNA profile matching Zimmerman.

He says there was the possibility of an additional contributor, but the potential was not high enough for him to make a comparison on.

Stain B matches Martin. It is also located on the bottom, but more in the center.

West points out there is no reddish stain. Gorgone says he cut it all out.

Stain B was single source.

Stain D was positive blood a mixture of two individuals and both Martin and Zimmerman were included.

Staining is still visible on the sweatshirt.

He says stain D was a very light spread out stain, so he took four cuttings to test.

West asks if it is possible for what was cut to have been from one person. Gorgone says he could’ve have taken and tested the cutting separately,

but it looked like one large stain prompting him to test the way he did.

Stain E, under the left armpit, matched Martin, Gorgone says.

West asks about the sleeves. Gorgone says a piece of filter paper rubbed on the sleeve tested negative for blood.

He did the same thing with a swab.

Gorgone says the left sleeve had foreign DNA, but he wasn’t able to determine if Zimmerman was a contributor.

The right sleeve didn’t have anything foreign to Martin.

West asks about the back of the sweatshirt.

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Don't they have to put on the ME. Otherwise legally have they actually presented the cause of death? Wouldn't that be grounds for appeal?


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Sidebar.. and I missed one while photo-shopping... and one on the house...

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kbp wrote:
Then one of the two parties must schedule a deposition based on the assumption the other party will cooperate. If either or both parties disregard communicating with the other to schedule such, only the state could have complained about this prior to the mandate.

Did that happen?

I'm trying to find out who may be at blame for delay prior to the mandate (why it was filed).

I blame Crump and Nelson, not necessarily in that order. Nelson has rushed, rushed, rushed, the defense so much that it could appear she was doing it deliberately to prevent them from being able to adequately prepare for trial. There have been many late days of trial and jury selection. I know I've missed a lot, even today, but MOM and West can't miss a minute and must do a lot outside of the courtroom too. They must be physically and mentally exhausted already, before they even begin presenting their case.

We'll likely not know the answer to your question until someone from the defense comes out with a book or an extensive interview. I wouldn't trust the info from other sources, of course. It could have been and likely was a combination of overworked and overwrought defense attorneys with precious little time to work in even such an important depo; part of defense strategy to put it off until after #8's testimony; and Crump's availability.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:23 pm 
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Looks like Bernie wants to whine at length... so Jury out until FRIDAY... an early 8:30 start

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Well, this is shocking. I wonder if the arguments on Friday will tell why we had this turn of events.


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SHOCKER! Recessed the jury for the night! Wow! Did someone text a clue to her? Or does this benefit the state somehow? ;)

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Win for the defense, no testimony from Sybrina at the end of the day without the possibility to cross.


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