Thanks, I had seen comments about it being associated with "an open burglary a few blocks from Krop," but nothing that confirmed it had been ID'd as stolen property. It seems like it would be simple to determine if it came from "a few blocks" away by having that person look at it, FWIW.

Aren't found items returned to the "finder" after a certain time?

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What bothers me about this is the possibility that the wedding bands that Trayvon had in his possession which have now been sitting in evidence for 18 months could be the last memory that someone had of their deceased spouse or maybe someone's parent. Wedding bands usually have a major sentimental value which us much more than the value of the metal. Even if I was desperate enough to be a robber, that is something I don't think I could take from someone.

I don't know what was in the "found items" so I don't want to speculate there. There is a burglary report from a home a few blocks away from Krop. Since we don't have details as to the evidence found at that home, for example fingerprints, then the only way to connect is to have the owners identify the items. Frankly, I would think by this stage, those homeowners have had a chance to see what the items were. There is the possibility that they have identified them but they will not be released to them until after the trial of Zimmerman since they are potential evidence into Martin's past.

I think that this may all boil down to the criminal profiling the State has in its APC. The Defense is trying to back up that by proving that TM could have been up to "no good" using his history and that is what justified/raised Zimmerman's suspicions.

MOM said a while back that there would be things that were not favorable to Martin. I think that the Defense was onto this before anything that SD got thru FOIA. They don't have to do all of that and most likely much is covered by the FDLE bios that were finally given over to them. I think they already knew what was in them but needed the files to substantiate what they had learned.

I don't agree with that at all. According to published reports, they did look for an owner by contacting Miami Dade PD:

'We have received several inquiries from media outlets regarding an incident that occurred on October 21, 2011, at Dr. Michael M. Krop High School involving Trayvon Martin," Miami-Dade Police said in a statement released Tuesday. "At that time, the Miami-Dade Police Department (MDPD) was contacted by Miami-Dade Schools Police Department (MDSPD) to assist in identifying property found in Trayvon Martin’s possession. Our records yielded negative results and MDSPD was advised of such findings."



http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Trayvon-Ma ... 03305.html

Wonder what is up?

With extension of time at 5DCA..... the Depo of Crump will be delayed too (should it be ordered)

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My guess is, the defense asked for extra time because if Crump is allowed to respond, they have to reply to two responses. Also, the ten days to reply started with state's filing. Crump filed five days later, so with the original deadline, they would only have seven days to write a reply to Crump.

Thanks MJW... that makes sense

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Is that a backdoor delay that will upset Nelson?

Does it matter... could she be any worse and get away with it?

A question for co-counsel?

I was partially in error, you are correct. See http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... lary-tool/

From CTH................

How Long? Considerations On The Narrative….
Posted on May 4, 2013 by sundance

The “Girlfriend”
It is now a matter of public record that Witness #8, “DeeDee” was not 16 years old on March 19, 2012 – she was 18. Nor was she in the hospital during Trayvon’s visitation/funeral, nor did Ronquavis actually meet her; And as a consequence of the last hearing, nor did she write the statement/affidavit previously attributed to her. [She now claims it was written by someone named "Francis".? ]

So how long before it is released that she was not actually on the phone with Trayvon? And, what is becoming more than likely, she is, as was thought from the outset, a person fulfilling the role of a constructed character fabrication, ‘media evidence’. 400 minutes on the phone? Yeah, riiiight.

The Absence Of A Criminal Record
It is now a matter of public record that School Resource Officer, Darryl Dunn, manipulated the reporting of Trayvon’s school behaviors to divert away from the criminal justice system, and hide criminal activity - on more than one occasion.

So how long before it is released/discovered, that Trayvon was actually expelled from Dr. Krop Senior High School, and, again more than likely, another benefactor of the Charles Hurley “Baker Act” principles of diversion and HIPPA shield ?

Portable ?
Aunt Ebony has put on record that Trayvon was NOT living with his mom, Sybrina, or his Dad, Tracy, and was instead living with his uncle, former marine, Stephen Martin.

The discussions of Trayvon moving to Sanford had already taken place:

Last night he [Trayvon] had a long talk with DeWayne, his buddy from pee-wee football. DeWayne asked what he was doing.

Just chillin’ with my ol’ boy, Trayvon said. Trayvon’s dad was dating a woman who lived there, a woman named Brandy, and it was looking serious. If he had to change high schools again to move up there, he said, it would be a’ight.

Understandable Anger Issues ?

A Trip for Tea and Skittles?

It’s no wonder they are rushing this thing to trial……

....more at link (comments)
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... narrative/

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Traybots are getting rabid (as they do)... this time on the 911 tape and the cries

The reef fish are all nibbling on that for now. (No doubt, they will dart off "en mass" to nibble on something else soon)


Forget Dee Dee.... forget Zimmerman's "inconsistent statement" etc etc etc.... today THIS is THE single most damning piece of evidence... Little Trayvon crying for mercy and help.

Traybots are unanimous 110% CERTAIN it is Trayvon's voice!!!!

Eh?

None of them have ever HEARD Trayvon speak? There is no voice sample??

IF they are saying its a high pitched almost "child like" cry... I would agree... but note also.....one of the MANY hate filled things they criticise and lampoon in regards to GZ.. is his "weak" voice... If only they had brains they might tie the two aspects of their posting together and realise that they go some way themselves to arguing the "weak" voice heard on the NEN call is clearly George.

I am guessing..(I would require to hear a sample of TM voice to pursue this notion)... that TM has a deep voice and would not use quite the language heard on the 911 tape?

But the Traybots are "stuck on stupid"... being susceptible, gullible types they can not overcome the IMPRINTING done on them cynically by the Scheme Team with the original FALSE narrative that TM was a small child (with child's voice)... They simply can not now absorb the REAL situation, whereby TM is a strapping great teen.. whose balls have dropped!!! I doubt he had a high pitched voice... more likely your typical surly teen deep gruff voice

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Interestingly, this was discussed tonight at CTH. You can hear him say "Hello" at 3:50 on the clip at http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... ent-384535. Judge for yourself. (Hint: you're not wrong.)

Thanks.... I know about the "Hello" at 7-11. That is ALL I have heard.

It's better than nothing... but not a good voice sample

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This is the video audio that I was looking for. AJ from TL/Twitter found it for me.

My father had a deep voice, so do I, and so does my son. I think the odds are quite high that Trayvon's voice was deep like his fathers.

Thanks. I had not seen that before. I always believed it was Zimm screaming just because it was the only thing that made sense on all levels.

I don't understand why Crump can file anything in this case because he has no standing. Why is this allowed? Anything he files should simply be denied.

So far, the DCA hasn't said whether Crump will be allowed to respond. Backwell cites Towers v. City of Longwood, 960 So. 2d 845 (Fla. 5th DCA 2007), where a third-party was allowed to respond in similar circumstances. But that was a civil case, where parties are allowed to intervene for limited purposes to protect their interests. I've tried (within my limited abilities) to find a similar example in a Florida criminal case, but couldn't. I also suspect that it hasn't happened too often in civil cases, or Blackwell would have chosen a different case to cite. Towers seems to me to be very favorable to the defense's position on granting certiorari when a deposition isn't allowed.

Crump's motion to respond was unopposed, and there's certainly an argument that the party who's most affected should have a say. On the other hand, it doesn't seem to be specifically allowed by the appellate rules, and Crump's work-product arguments are already part of the trial court record, and were include in the defense's appendix. Even if Crump is allowed to respond to the work-product argument, I don't think he should be permitted to argue on whether the petition should be dismissed because of the availability of post-judgement appeal.

Good observation!