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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:06 pm 
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What still nags at me is that the FB post suggests the incident occurred when Trayvon was on the way to the store. So does DD's letter. Why did DD start it with:
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I was on the phone when Trevon decided to go to the Cornerstore. It started to rain so he decided to walk through another complex because it was raining to hard. He started walking then noticed someone was following him.

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I was on the phone when Trevon was walking back from the Cornerstore. It started to rain so he decided to walk through another complex because it was raining to hard. He started walking then noticed someone was following him.

Surely Trayvon would have informed DD that he had already procured the treat for his 'little brother' and was on his way back when he spotted the man following him.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:27 pm 
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It appears to me that Jaleesa is repeating what she was told. She seems to believe what she's saying. Keep in mind the date on this, it was very early in the case. Most of her information did not likely come from the media; most likely she was told this by family members. Clearly not everything she wrote was related by GZ.

Again, what is important imo is that she doesn't dispute that TM™ assualted GZ, or that GZ yelled for help.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:46 pm 
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flgirl543 wrote:
I saw it when I was looking at link posted by liesel upthread. I'm not sure how to do a screen shot, but it's here: https://www.facebook.com/jaleesa.t.martin?sk=wall. Just keep scrolling until you get to the date.


Here's a direct link to the quote: https://www.facebook.com/jaleesa.t.mart ... 6378557630

"They so busy try a make tray look like a bad person they are forgetting that he still was a innocent kid doing nothin when he was shot...forget what happened in Miami and remember what happened in Sanford and arrest Zimmerman"

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:27 pm 
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Something I've been thinking about: some Martin supporters attempt to make hay out of what they perceive to be an insufficient amount of blood flow from Zimmerman's head injuries, and use that perception to claim that the altercation could not have been as violent as Zimmerman claims. Of course, self-defense statutes make no mention of severity of sustained injury and instead rely on the threshold of reasonable fear of imminent risk of death or great bodily harm.

That said: is this criticism even valid? It seems to ignore a normal, physiological response: vasoconstriction. The body's fight-or-flight response includes vasoconstriction, which directs blood flow to the muscles that will imminently be called upon, by depriving blood flow from non-essential areas such as the face and head. Also, the acute blunt trauma of having one's head bashed into the ground could also result in temporary, local vasoconstriction at the trauma site.

I'd have to find some related studies to know for certain, but it would seem that, in an altercation that took no more than two and a half minutes, vasoconstriction could easily have contributed to less blood flow during the altercation, and delayed blood flow afterward.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:41 pm 
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The problem is though Chip.... if you START such a reasonable discussion.. you have already ventured into "the rabbit hole"

Arguing what may account for lesser amount of blood.. in a way legitimises the point they contend.. that AMOUNT of blood proves some sort of point.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:51 pm 
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The amount of blood evident on GZ's head was EXACTLY correct for a situation where a man was punched and attacked and had his head beaten into concrete repeatedly...

GZ's claims are undisputed by ANY evidence.. so that has to be accepted as what happened.... and the amount of blood was... the amount of blood that EMT personnel, and other witnesses describe, and what is shown in photographs.

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chipbennett wrote:
Something I've been thinking about: some Martin supporters attempt to make hay out of what they perceive to be an insufficient amount of blood flow from Zimmerman's head injuries, and use that perception to claim that the altercation could not have been as violent as Zimmerman claims. Of course, self-defense statutes make no mention of severity of sustained injury and instead rely on the threshold of reasonable fear of imminent risk of death or great bodily harm.

That said: is this criticism even valid?


No. Broken nose = great bodily harm. GZ had already suffered great bodily harm (broken nose and lacerations / bumps on the back of his head) and the beating continued. How can it be argued that he didn't reasonably fear great bodily harm from Martin's continuing attack, when Martin had already inflicted great bodily harm?

Aggravated battery cases, which require great bodily harm, w/ broken nose:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:56 pm 
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chipbennett wrote:
So, Aurora shooter James Holmes, in an open-and-shut case that needs only determine if he was mentally competent or insane at the time of the shooting, just had his trial date moved back from August 2013 to February 2014, with the judge indicating that even more time may be necessary.

The Aurora shooting was in July 2012, with the arrest taking place at the crime scene, and the original trial date set for August 2013 (13 months from arrest to trial).

The Martin shooting was in February 2012, with the arrest taking place in April 2012, and the original trial date set for June 2013 (14 months from arrest to trial).

In the Aurora shooting, all the evidence was, for all intents and purposes, immediately available. One would imagine that the only point left to contend is the mental state of the accused. And yet, that trial was just continued another six months (and counting).

In the Martin shooting, the prosecution is still supplementing the release of discovery evidence, some three months before the trial - and yet the defense motion to continue for six months was denied. (The judge found nothing "insurmountable", of course.)

Anecdotally, from what I have been able to gather, a murder trial generally takes anywhere from 1 to 3 years from arrest to trial, with more than 90% of those resulting in a plea deal. If true, it becomes obvious that Zimmerman's trial has been fast-tracked.



:wall I dont get it either...Then the judge cancelled todays hearing?!! WTH, fast tracked on the Autobahn? Whew almost caught up on reading.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:01 pm 
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:wall I dont get it either...Then the judge cancelled todays hearing?!! WTH, fast tracked on the Autobahn? Whew almost caught up on reading.




ACHTUNG!!

It iz "Autobahn"

Kraftwerk- Autobahn



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:08 pm 
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chipbennett wrote:
Something I've been thinking about: some Martin supporters attempt to make hay out of what they perceive to be an insufficient amount of blood flow from Zimmerman's head injuries, and use that perception to claim that the altercation could not have been as violent as Zimmerman claims. Of course, self-defense statutes make no mention of severity of sustained injury and instead rely on the threshold of reasonable fear of imminent risk of death or great bodily harm.

That said: is this criticism even valid? It seems to ignore a normal, physiological response: vasoconstriction. The body's fight-or-flight response includes vasoconstriction, which directs blood flow to the muscles that will imminently be called upon, by depriving blood flow from non-essential areas such as the face and head. Also, the acute blunt trauma of having one's head bashed into the ground could also result in temporary, local vasoconstriction at the trauma site.

I'd have to find some related studies to know for certain, but it would seem that, in an altercation that took no more than two and a half minutes, vasoconstriction could easily have contributed to less blood flow during the altercation, and delayed blood flow afterward.


Chip, if you go to Huff' n Puff like I've been going and commenting, you'll see that George's wounds are only half the reason for them claiming that no fight occurred. They are constantly saying that the lack of bruising on Trayvon's knuckles PROVE that he never stuck George. I've tried to explain that the bruising didn't occur because his death came too early for bruising to start. Their answer is bruising is immediate. And that George must have gotten a bloodied nose by something else. A common one is running into a tree while chasing Trayvon.

The problem is that you are correct, but you are preaching to the choir. Like a challenge? Try them, the Black Voices section of the HuffingtonPost. LetJusticePrevail, LoveMyGirl (darkskiesarebest) and a couple other supporters are there trying to sway them.

One more thing in case you go, brush up on W18. She's the reason they give for George going to prison. She's the witness that was hysterical.

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flgirl543 wrote:
Here's a direct link to the quote: https://www.facebook.com/jaleesa.t.mart ... 6378557630

"They so busy try a make tray look like a bad person they are forgetting that he still was a innocent kid doing nothin when he was shot...forget what happened in Miami and remember what happened in Sanford and arrest Zimmerman"


Did this get sent over to CTH or MOM/West yet, or do we know that they know? Seems like a could be gold mine.


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Wrongonred, they have it over at CTH


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:50 pm 
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Wonder if there were cameras at Trayvon's school. Nevermind...if there ever was any video evidence of a Trayvon outburst, it aint likely ever gonna see the light of day.


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Camera on the bus would be good... if rumours are true.

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Rumpole wrote:
Camera on the bus would be good... if rumours are true.


IF they saved the images. I don't think we'll ever see anything from the bus or anywhere else. All have been oblitherated.


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As well as this DAILY discussion thread about the GZ case... there is also

DAILY DAFT POSTS FROM JUSTARSE QUEST
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If only Trayvon had kept his hands in his pockets, none of this would have happened.

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O'Mara in a presser after the last? court date mentions Trayvon and Miami. If something went down there he seems to be aware of it.


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Welcome to RT royofan

Nice Avatar pic :give

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Rumpole wrote:
Welcome to RT royofan

Nice Avatar pic :give

Nice Avatar indeed! I wanna pet that kitty so bad! I'd likely draw back a nub, but it would almost be worth it! :cat


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royofan wrote:
O'Mara in a presser after the last? court date mentions Trayvon and Miami. If something went down there he seems to be aware of it.


He also has the FDLE bios now too after asking for them for months...


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