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If any people under 18 are watching this farce... they should charge the Weasel with child abuse

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:41 am 
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chipbennett wrote:
Why is the defense objecting to including the forcible felony commission as a justification for use of deadly force in self defense?

Multi-tasking so may not have heard correctly, but my guess is the defense doesn't want the jury to worry they have to convict TM™ of a felony.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:44 am 
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West is deconstructing Nelson's attempts to screw with the self-defense jury instructions.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:47 am 
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I think I see what West is doing here: he doesn't want the forcible felony justification, because it would require the court to instruct the jury on the definition of aggravated battery, as the underlying forcible felony.

West thinks that the State wants that instruction, so that the definition of aggravated battery is in front of the jury, somehow biasing the jury toward convicting Zimmerman of a similar offense.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:49 am 
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chipbennett wrote:
Why is the defense objecting to including the forcible felony commission as a justification for use of deadly force in self defense?

The way Weasel is changing "or" to "and" evidently leads to other instructions elsewhere that twists the law.


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The state is now working to adjust sounds of vocal confrontation into physical provocation!


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Mini-Me claiming that Zimmerman's statements have been found to be "materially inconsistent" and "false", which is directly contradicted by witness testimony. I thought lawyers could not mis-represent facts in oral argument?

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Wow what a trick bringing up felony murder. How can it be if the child is on top of the victim and pounding his head to the ground. How can they call this child abuse.


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chipbennett wrote:
I think I see what West is doing here: he doesn't want the forcible felony justification, because it would require the court to instruct the jury on the definition of aggravated battery, as the underlying forcible felony.

West thinks that the State wants that instruction, so that the definition of aggravated battery is in front of the jury, somehow biasing the jury toward convicting Zimmerman of a similar offense.

Now I see your post after putting mine up!


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chipbennett wrote:
Mini-Me claiming that Zimmerman's statements have been found to be "materially inconsistent" and "false", which is directly contradicted by witness testimony. I thought lawyers could not mis-represent facts in oral argument?

Ethically, you're correct. But who is going to file the bar complaint? And even if it gets filed, the subject would argue that was their understanding, blah blah. Very, very hard to prove what someone knows/believes.

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West just dumped on BDLR: "We know that to be true from the direct evidence and from the circumstantial evidence - which we know is just as good as direct evidence, thanks to Mr. De La Rionda."

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packy wrote:
Wow what a trick bringing up felony murder. How can it be if the child is on top of the victim and pounding his head to the ground. How can they call this child abuse.

Hi, packy! Glad you made it today. :)

You're not the only one that sees it that way -- pretty much a consensus among the lawyers in the twitterverse.

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Mini-Me: "carrying a concealed firearm is evidence of force or threat of force"

Say what?

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inference inference inference inference

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