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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:18 am 
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I-5 is up. He is a middle aged African American man


CNN for national news... maybe FOX for local?

Maybe the supposed Fox watchers watch local?

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Rionda begins questioning Juror I-5. He is a black man, about 50 to 60 years old.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:23 am 
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I-5 says he has seen no photos in the case



I think he is lying.... stealth Traybot

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:25 am 
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I-5 says he has seen no photos in the case



I think he is lying.... stealth Traybot


I think the DCA is GZ's only hope.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:29 am 
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Juror I-5 says he remembers the case on TV. He says he remembers first hearing about the case on a local station. He says he watches mostly CNN. He has watched HLN, too.

“I have a hard time with cases tried in the media,” he said. “I don’t see how you get a fair trial…”

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The juror says he has seen pictures of Martin wearing a hoodie.

He remembers hearing a voice recording on CNN where they were trying to identify the speaker. He says there was no definitive answer and he did not have his own conclusion.

The juror says he does not go on Facebook, but uses the Internet.

“The biggest complaints were the fact that the community was upset because Mr. Zimmerman hadn’t been locked up,” he said about what he remembered.

“In that particular point in the case, you have to let the law work,” he explained further.

The juror said he would not hold that against the state of defense.

He says the protests were inappropriate, not necessary and got the “community all riled up.”

He says the marches are irrelevant and not factor in his deliberations, though.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:42 am 
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I do not believe this guy at all.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:46 am 
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BDLR done... West up

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Juror I-5 says he may have heard a news conference from the Martin family about the trial, possibly in March, but doesn’t remember the details.

He says he doesn’t talk about the case with his family.

11:45 a.m.

Juror I-5 says he does not believe parts of the case have already been decided.

He says he can disregard commentary he has heard in making a decision in the case.

The juror says serving would not be an insurmountable hardship, but he hasn’t been able to talk to his employer yet.

West begins questioning the juror at 11:45 a.m.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:58 am 
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Rumpole wrote:
I do not believe this guy at all.


Game theory: If BDLR doesn't challenge, then defense should challenge.

Question: Does defense have an opportunity to challenge after BDLR passes a prospective juror?


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West done... usual sidebar


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I thought at this stage.... both sides angling for dismissal for cause (by Nelson).... not using strikes.

They will both have 10 strikes when then go into next phase with 40 PJ's being questioned as a group.

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LUNCH

10:07 p.m.
Court is in recess for lunch until 1:10 p.m.

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Rumpole wrote:
I thought at this stage.... both sides angling for dismissal for cause (by Nelson).... not using strikes.

They will both have 10 strikes when then go into next phase with 40 PJ's being questioned as a group.


So is that done like they are doing it now? Bernie goes first on voire dire and then they approach the bench and argue? Does Bernie have to decide to pass or strike first?

If this is a sequential game with perfect information and Bernie goes first, then the defense has a game theory advantage in that they know Bernie's decision prior to having to make their decision.

Example: You are evaluating a black potential juror that sounds too good to be true. Watches Fox News, noted that Trayvon was misrepresented by the media as being a little boy, thinks that the media coverage is slanted against Zimmerman, stated that Zimmerman is presumed innocent, lives in Sanford but claims to know very little about the case, expresses disdain for Sharpton and Jackson race-baiting tactics.

What if Bernie has to go first and Bernie does not strike this juror?


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I had to miss this morning due to real life matters, would someone be kind and give me a brief recap of today's happenings?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:16 pm 
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Nothing eventful :)

Jurors added, none dismissed as far as I could tell.

Day 7

51) H81 B/M
52) H69 H/F
53) H86 W/F
54) I5 B/M
55) I14 W/M

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Back in session. I-14 is up. He is a white man who appears to be twenty-something.

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So is that done like they are doing it now? Bernie goes first on voire dire and then they approach the bench and argue? Does Bernie have to decide to pass or strike first?

If this is a sequential game with perfect information and Bernie goes first, then the defense has a game theory advantage in that they know Bernie's decision prior to having to make their decision.

Example: You are evaluating a black potential juror that sounds too good to be true. Watches Fox News, noted that Trayvon was misrepresented by the media as being a little boy, thinks that the media coverage is slanted against Zimmerman, stated that Zimmerman is presumed innocent, lives in Sanford but claims to know very little about the case, expresses disdain for Sharpton and Jackson race-baiting tactics.

What if Bernie has to go first and Bernie does not strike this juror?


Apart from ONE occasion (as I recall) Bernie does NOT approach after his bit... so no clues.... West MOM interview straight after BDLR

EDIT: Think I misunderstood you :doh
I think you are contemplating next stage.... I take your point.

I don't know details. You would think that they would alternate who goes first? Perhaps?

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I am age-ist... "bits of kids" should not be considered for Jury duty.... NEXT!!!

In most cases... people start off uninformed, naive.... some people learn as they get older


Also... in the jury room doing deliberations... younguns likely to be subject to influence by older jurors pushing opinions.

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