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Author: | Rumpole [ Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:02 pm ] |
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oralandar brand-wms pros the gun was used in this case by many peop. there was nothing in appropriate by what happened. the gun is not loaded. sidebar over..now waiting for jurors to come in. attys and pros looking through the book jury instructions that jurors will receive jurors back in courtroom defense officialy rests jury instructions begin |
Author: | Rumpole [ Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:05 pm ] |
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The Trial File Judge Hathaway to jurors: "It is my duty to give you instructions on the law. You MUST follow them as I give them to you" |
Author: | Rumpole [ Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:07 pm ] |
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oralandar brand-wms sidebar in middle of judge giving jury instructions |
Author: | Rumpole [ Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:10 pm ] |
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oralandar brand-wms sidebar over...jury had to strike a part of jury instruction. some general info judge tells jury a person doesn't have a duty to retreat if they believe they face harm and that person's porch is part of their home.. jury leaves for the day...judge setting perimeter for closing arguments. one hour for each side |
Author: | Rumpole [ Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:35 pm ] |
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Some detail on Jury instructions ex Live blog - Detroit Free Press: by Gina Damron http://www.freep.com/article/20140805/N ... ha-mcbride Hathaway said she is going to instruct the jury with what she can today. "It is your job to decide what the facts of the case are," Hathaway sai She said the prosecutor must prove each element beyond reasonable doubt. Hathaway said that jurors can only consider evidence that was properly admitted in the case. Hathaway said some of the things that are not evidence include the lawyers statements and arguments and lawyers questions to the witnesses. "You are the only judges of the facts," Hathaway told the jury. Hathaway said Wafer is charged with second-degree murder and manslaughter. She said the jury must consider each crime separately. Hathaway is listing the names of the expert witnesses who testified. Wafer is charged with second-degree murder. Hathaway said the jury can consider the lesser charge of involuntary manner. Elements of involuntary manslaughter are that he caused the death of McBride, acted in a grossly negligent manner and caused death without lawful excuse or justification. Wafer is also charged with manslaughter Hathaway said closing arguments are to go no longer than about one hour for each side. |
Author: | Rumpole [ Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:35 pm ] |
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State of Michigan V Theodore Wafer - Murder2 Day 11, Wednesday 6th August, 2014 9:00am EDT CLOSING ARGUMENTS Twiter: Detroit News: https://twitter.com/detroitnews Oralandar Brand-wms: https://twitter.com/oralandar_DN Detroit Free Press: https://twitter.com/freep/with_replies Elisha Anderson: https://twitter.com/elishaanderson #TheodoreWafer https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheodoreWafer?src=hash #RenishamcBride https://twitter.com/hashtag/RenishamcBride?src=hash Live Blog Live blog - Detroit Free Press: http://live.freep.com/Event/Live_blog_T ... ting_trial Live updates - mlive.com http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index ... de_sh.html News updates: http://www.detroitnews.com |
Author: | Rumpole [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:56 am ] |
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Closing Arguments |
Author: | Rumpole [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:13 am ] |
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oralandar brand-wms awaiting start of court in wafer trial...one more juror to come in judge dana hathaway on bench motion from def atty to strike from record that renisha mcbride looking for help that nov. 2 morning. doesn't want pros to mention inclosing pros pat muscat arguing now the defense brought it up def atty says wafer didn't inject it in his defense that mcbride was looking for help..judge says no dispute mcbride injured, bleeding .. that morning ..so judge will allow it..muscat will do first part of closing for pros. and pros athina siringas will do rest and rebuttal def atty and pros still going over what instructions jury shld get..def atty wants the word "aim" in there ..pros objects..jurors not in ct muscat says "aiming" not part of crime..it's pointing, he says muscat says jury form not confusing and it's too late for the def to start adding other wording for elements... of the crime pros says the def atty doesn't need to add extra wording that will "confuse" the jury judge says she gen. doesn't add addtl info. to jury form cause it can cause confusion def atty: "I'm asking for three words.." pros: "is she (def atty) really concerned about making the jury form as clear as poss.??" muscat: .."nope..nope..you cannot restrict us in that way (from demon. with the shotgun) during closing arguments def atty: "i know juror # 9 was horrified (about pros handling of shotgun during cross tuesday).." pros athina siringas: "they want to sanitize this case""..about judge saying for shotgun not to be shown during closing arguments.. judge gonna allow pros muscat to use shotgun for closing arguments. says she's going to "hold" him to his promise to safely handle shotgun def atty wants to tell jurors during closing that mcbride broke wafer's home cause she was on porch. pros objects pros: says def.going to argue mcbride "broke" the house cause she was on wafer's porch..pros objects saying def gonna argue it for self.def. judge says she has not given jury instructions in relation to breaking and entering. the whole issue is whether someone was attack. in home judge says there was no attack. pros. says def is going to infer there and that law contrary to tha judge says you still need an attack for no duty to retreat (michigan self defense law) judge tells def atty she will stop her if she infers. that mcbride was breaking into wafer's porch cause she was on his porch def atty says as an atty she follows the law and wants to make sure it's okay to make her arguments def atty says "i'm never going to say she was inside mr wafer's house. she wasn't"..jury comes in now |
Author: | Rumpole [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:43 am ] |
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State Closing Argument - Prosecutor Pat Muscat oralandar brand-wms prosecutor pat muscat begins closing statements starting with "she wanted to go home..she just wanted to go home.." muscat says wafer angry, "full of piss and vinegar" over kids paintballed his vehicle ..he finds unarmed teenager .. raised up his shotgun and shoots mcbride in the face muscat:"she’s not here to tell you what happened that night because of his actions." the police interog. video is played/evid pics shown muscat:"she’s not here to tell you what happened that night because of his actions." the police interog. video is played/evid pics shown hearing 911 call from accident..mcbride had earlier pros: we know she was injured..bleeding..drunk (in accident) and she wanted to go home..she wanted to go home pros going over elements of second degree..overheard shown with elements of law on it pros says in the three hours in btwn accident..she may have go to sleep and then awakened and started looking for help pros says wafer has not established great defense for self defense and that he handled his gun like a toy and as a result a 19 yr old isdead pros: wafer only person who says he heard knocking/banging..no evid of it..his testimony not worthy of belief pros says police have said wafer home "buttoned" up so there was no threat of mcbride coming into his home pros says wafer knew of danger when he raised his gun and pulled the trigger pros says wafer has no credibility and that he manipulated the facts in the case when he testified in instruct. jurors on exculpatory statements, pros tells them they can find him guiltyin the case if they believe he was lying pros: she was unarmed, injured and looking for help (of McBride). says what wafer did was not neces. "he had other options." pros:He shot through a locked door. He shot an unarmed teen. pros says look at evid in case and deliver justice..".justice for renisha mcbride" |
Author: | Rumpole [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:18 am ] |
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Author: | Rumpole [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:32 am ] |
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Defense Closing Arguments - Cheryl Carpenter oralandar brand-wms def opening now.."they were coming for him.." about incidents leading up to shooting def atty cheryl carpenter: the law of self defen so simple, so easy and not complicated at all. def atty going over self defense law w/jurors..the screen door also brought into court for def atty's closing arguments def atty: the law of self def is the ultimate protect for everyone of us. For me, for you..This is what we need to concen. on. def atty quoting wafer: i thought there were coming in..(the shooting) was not my first..(he grabbed bat).i tried to play dead def atty: What evid did they give you the shot gun blast caused that (damage to screen door)…zero!!! defense: "She was coming from the side at mr. wafer... Mr.wafer was terrorized in his own home." defense: "this case is about renisha despite what the prosecutors think.." defense: "I'm not blaming renisha but alcohol is what caused all of this. Shows timeline of renisha’s last hours and wafer's defense: wafer is a rule follower..that night he didn’t do anything wrong. He’s protected by the law of self defense clear and simple defense says dbrn heights police "turned a blind eye" to some key evidence in the case during inves. defense: race not an issue in mcbride case.says wafer did not know race of mcbride and he lives in mixed neighborhood defense:ted was getting attacked...attacked defense doing overhead with diagram of a house and words "FEAR" on home defense:This man is acting and reacting to get awakened that morning. Are you going to sit in your home and wait? defense graphic defense: (the pros.)didn’t bring anything to you. There is no way they can disapprove this was self-defense. None. defense: (Wafer) is not guilty cause (the prosecution) did not disprove self defense. defense: (the prosecution.)didn’t bring anything to you. There is no way they can disprove this was self-defense. None. defense: He's not a gun nut. He’s not an angry person. He’s not paranoid. He did it in the heat of that moment. He was in terror. defense: I hate guns but i love the law(mi self defense law changed in 2006) Carpenter again brought up the incident in which an assistant prosecutor pointed the shotgun in the direction of the jury on Tuesday. She said another assistant prosecutor racked the gun several times yesterday. Carpenter said the gun is scary. by Gina Damron defense: he didn't call 911 because he cldn't find his cell phone. defense:He cares. He thinks about Renisha every day he wishes it never happened but he acted and fired in self defense defense: we cldn't have asked for a better jury. thank you from the bottom of my heart The Trial File Judge told defense to move on discussing #RenishaMcBride I don't agree with talking about it but pretty inappropriate of judge. defense: ted likes the police and they failed him defense shows jurors pics of a vigil for mcbride by her family at wafer home to address her concerns over poss. contam. of crime scene defense to her team of lawyers: "thank you team.." defense referred to 1925 murder trial of dr. ossian sweet who shot in self defense to defend against white mob in detroit. defen. closingovr asks jurors to send Ted home. and find him not guilty. pros athina siringas doing rebuttal ..tells jurors they can't get in wafer's head |
Author: | Rumpole [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:28 am ] |
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State Rebuttal - Assistant Prosecutor Athina Siringas oralandar brand-wms pros: wafer was hoping it cld get away with "accident scenario" and that's why it's a lie..says MSP expert wit gun doesn't go off accident. pros: "the nerve of bringing dr. sweet into this." Wafer not under attack by armed citzen... pros: "he said on stand. I pulled the trigger intentionally." pros: We met our burden,there is no self defense here. Where’s the fear?". says def. turned to self defen after accident def wldn't work pros: is that what our soc. has come to when we shoot unarmed teenagers on our porch we didn't know was looking for help pros says shooting not justified and renisha mcbride dead cause she had misfortune of showing up on wafer's porch that morning. |
Author: | Rumpole [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:41 am ] |
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Final Jury Instructions oralandar brand-wms judge giving jury final instructions before they begin deliberations two white women women leave from jury pool...the jury deliberating includes four african americans Final Jury
2 Black Females 4 White Males 1 Arab Male 2 Minority Women 1 White Female 5 Female, 7 male |
Author: | Rumpole [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:15 pm ] |
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oralandar brand-wms the jury will take lunch at 1 p.m. and then continue on with deliberations after they come back from lunch jury actually going to lunch at 12:30 p.m. |
Author: | Rumpole [ Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:08 pm ] |
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Back.... oralandar brand-wms jurors are done looking at gun Judge on bench and says jurors asked for note pad/markers/screen door/plastic clips/ wafer gun Jurors also wanted plastic clips from door but they can't have since not admit into evid. They also wanted tape measure..def has one Jurors also want to know how long jury delib today and judge say til 4 and back Thursday at 9 a.m. Renisha McBride's parents and other family in courtroom awaiting verdict. Theodore Wafer not here Theodore Wafer in courtroom now . Jury in court room. They are being dismissed for day. No verdict yet Court over for the day Jurors back at 9 thursday |
Author: | Rumpole [ Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:47 pm ] |
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GUILTY oralandar brand-wms wafer guillty of second degree murder, mansalughter and weapons charge pros asking that to lock Wafer up today def atty asks judge to give him time to get his affairs in order..ask sentencing in 2 weeks. def atty says he's not threat Judge locking wafer up today Def doesn't want wafer in Wayne co jail. says he will not be safe there Judge grants def atty not to put wafer in wayne county jail Sentencing aug 21 Wafer showed no emotion pros and attys going to talk in chambers to judge dana hathaway about jury's laptop request and "other issues" |
Author: | Rumpole [ Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:57 pm ] |
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GUILTY - All 3 counts...Murder2, Manslaughter, Felony with Firearm Sentencing Aug 21 25 |
Author: | Rumpole [ Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:56 pm ] |
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THEODORE WAFER TRIAL- VERDICT! August 7, 2014 |
Author: | Rumpole [ Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:05 am ] |
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Live blog: Theodore Wafer sentencing for Renisha McBride porch shooting http://www.freep.com/article/20140903/N ... h-shooting |
Author: | Rumpole [ Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:17 am ] |
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oralandar brand-wms Judge Hathaway on bench now. Wafer not in courtroom yet Wafer brought into courtroom now. He's wearing street clothes:greyish colored suit wafer wearing grey business jacket, white shirt, tie and black pants. his atty now addressing judge on last minute pre-senting issue in pre-sentence report it shows Wafer used marijuana before..atty says it was only occassional use Renisha McBride sister will address the court during sentencing Wafer atty, pros and judge hashing out now the scoring elements in the case that help determine the sentencing guidelines |
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