Just when I thought I was out of the "door business" they pull me back in.

So OK.... from link I assume the door is either all glass or all screen? I don’t see how you can easily take out a sheet of glass.. and store it? Since Wafer fired through "screen" ... it was in all screen mode at the time?

Please explain more about this door???

AND..... please explain the implications for this case

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The link shows a full glass door that comes with a screen panel to replace in summer when you want a full screen door. From the description of the door it says...

"Removable, full length, tempered glass panel
Interchangeable, charcoal, fiberglass screen panel"

Re: changing from glass to screen....

The glass has a frame around it just like the screen does, when you want to remove the glass and put up the screen, you loosen the thumbs screws on the tabs and move the tabs on the aluminum door frame that holds the glass panel in. you tip the glass towards you and lift the glass and frame out of the small track at the bottom of the door. You then take the screen with frame attached and place that into the track on the bottom of the door and push the screen towards the door.. Then you put the tabs back in place and tighten the thumb screws to hold it all in.

Thanks froggie.... that is what I thought... I was hoping I had missed something... I have lead a VERY sheltered life (no pun intended)... NEVER lived in a house with a screen door
(What DO people do with the glass panel while door is in screen mode?)

So my point stands... since Wafer shot through SCREEN and LE also noted "popped screen" the door was ALL SCREEN at the time of the shooting. No glass harmed in this case?

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well altho I currently do not have a screen door, I have had plenty in the past. Depending on the lighting the homeowner might have only seen a shape/shadow, and screens arent as hardy as glass (less protective) they can rip/tear easy. and are pliant. Perhaps the homeowner cracked the door and saw "crazy cat" and shot.

YW We usually store our glass panels or screens (depending on time of year) in the basement.

Thanks... I'll sleep a lot easier tonight

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Here's my thoughts on this case.

I don't for one minute believe she went door to door looking for help. Nope not buying that. I think that's a story her family created to take away from her being drunk. Start the public outrage prior to all evidence coming out.

I do think she was so drunk she may of thought she was either at her home or the home of a friend. I think she knocked on the door and because no one came to the door right away, she got louder and angrier with her knocks turning them into bangs and possibly yelling. I picture her being so drunk thinking she knew who's house she was at, that she started yelling open the door mofo and using all other kinds of strong language. When he opened the inside door to see who it was, she flipped thinking this guy with a gun was inside her home or a home of her friend and went nuts. It's a no-brainer that this guy didn't open the door and say to himself... hmm a black girl, I think I will shoot her. Even though that's what the family wants you to believe. Somehow, someway, he accidentally shot her. Yes I think he should have some consequences for his actions but I don't think a life sentences is one or charged with murder. The problem I have with all of this is, the minute she stepped a foot in his yard, she entered his private space. He did not seek her out. To me, she holds the higher blame for all of this. Not him.

Very good Froggie... about how I imagine it went down.

I don't agree that he should "suffer some consequences"... that smacks of appeasing the lynch mob and race baiters.

I can imagine myself in his position.. doing EXACTLY the same. Woken at 4:00AM... "half asleep"....some sort of "intruder"... quite sensible to be armed with a gun with safety off and finger on the trigger.... I accept that the final fatal trigger squeeze was an accident. I can not see how the PROSECUTION can claim otherwise... unless Wafer says he squeezed the trigger intentionally. Wafer gets the presumption of innocence... prosecution have the (high) BURDEN to PROVE beyond all reasonable doubt ... that's the rules.

She put herself and Wafer in the position they found themselves....

I saw a good post .... at InSession2 (formerly Justice Quest), of all places



I would add:
But I daresay if the truck driver is white and the "victim" is black, then some might claim it was his fault... he woulda tried harder to brake or swerve if it was a white person in the road

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Well me saying I think he should face some consequences, I mean more so on the lack of his control of the gun. While he did kill her, she is to blame for 99% of it. She chose to get drunk. Here's my thing, if we hold people who drink and drive responsible for any deaths they may cause, how come we don't hold someone who drinks and drives with their own deaths when it was their actions and choices that caused their deaths?

Yes ok.... maybe a speeding fine to appease the masses (like with George), but acquitted of the charges at trial... if this ever gets as far as a trial.

REMINDER: Preliminary Hearing: Wednesday, 18th December... 2 weeks away


From The Detroit News, charges are:
second-degree murder, manslaughter and possession of a firearm in a felony

I assume the firearm charge gets lumped on top of any conviction for murder2 or manslaughter?... so they can not just get him on a stand alone firearm charge?

I certainly do not think this warrants "manslaughter"... so he should walk if there is any "Justice" to be had.

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All the "combo" storm doors I've ever seen were glass on the top, glass or screen option on the bottom (which is to say the glass can be slid up and there's still the half door height screen panel there), but not screen top, glass bottom.

So I'm suspecting that it was screen "all the way down" at the time of the shooting, and no glass at all.

Froggie! Great minds and all. I have been all over the interwebs trying to find that door. Down here we use standard storm doors.

At least "the door" has given us an aspect of the case and evidence to discuss.... as opposed to mere supposition and "he shoulda done", along with contrived and imagined racial "issues" and blow-hard pontification about inside "knowledge" of what the jury composition will be.. and what they will decide (regardless of a trial and evidence an' stuff)

It would be nice to get some MORE actual evidence details.... but not sure how much we will get out of Michigan?

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methinks if we are having so much trouble with those damn doors then think about all the other questions there will be with the other evidence!

I'm not having trouble with the door nor confused about it.

Right! I'm good on doors too

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And I think he is going away on an Involuntary/Voluntary manslaughter. So that is all good, too!

I would not be surprised if he gets found guilty of something... but I don't see why you would think that was good

I think a guy should be left alone when he goes to bed (to sleep) in his own home?... to be woken up and then ultimately do 20+years in prison, because some drunk stumbles into your life, uninvited and unwanted, seems a bit tough?

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His first story was the gun misfired and then his attorney is moving away from that. Why? Because I think there is no way that gun did that and the angle of the shot. If there was something that he could use, like the shot angle, he would still be standing firm that something went wrong, IMO.

Of course, MI is not a Sunshine (kind of) State. I wish all states had the same laws as FL. Especially TX!