Further down...he pops the screen back in place.... I want photographs!
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Yes... but where is the notion it was half glass coming from?

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The pic posted by Froggie is from google maps... so is from the past... but it show a screen door that is all screen... not panels of screen and glass


And in fact also.. the recent pic posted by renewsit... shows screen door still in place after the shooting... well the door frame still in place. It is hard to see if the mesh is there... but it is NOT a door with panels glass/screen.

(I removed the screen insert to remove confusion)



Maybe.... there could be confusion where descriptions include the window panels... off to the side... but not part of the door.

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Upper Picture:
Looks like a real storm door. You can see a dark bar about a third of the way down it. The screen would be on the bottom w/ a glass panel that can be raised..

Bottom picture:
That door is a glass door, not a screen door. You can see the reflection of the tree and the part, that I thought was blown out screen is a reflection of sunlight.

All I can figure is the date that door was replaced with a screen door because those are two different doors. Can Vee post the side picture of the house where there are two door showing?.

Deb... there ain't any glass????? In either photo.

Top photo is just a screen door?

Bottom photo is after shooting... he did not shoot through glass, and if he did it would not still be there. I see shadows, not reflections.


I don't know where or why a notion of a glass or half-glass door popped into discussions... ??

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I've seen plenty of what we call storm doors (metal frame hinged to metal outer frame that installs from the outside side of the doorframe) that are all glass but the bottom pane can be slid up and there's a screen in the section unconvered that way.

And here in the South houses built before central air conditioning became commonplace almost always had a (painted white) wooden frame door that fit inside the door jamb on the outside side, and those had non-movable or slideable screen panels top and bottom and we called them screen doors.

But I don't think I've ever seen a metal frame storm door that was all screen and no glass.

So not seeing something with 4" wide white painted wood panels on each side, I guess I just assumed, and I'll bet a lot of others did as well.

Something I wonder is whether they're certain the tear in the screen was made by the gunfire, or might it have come either from him stumbling and the barrel poking through before the trigger pull, or might it have been caused by her putting her hand or fist through the screen?

Thanks.

But in THIS CASE... there was no mention of a glass section in the "screen door" I would have expected that to be referenced in the police report?

And..... the sort of common arrangement described... glass, with a bottom section that might have exposed screen does not make sense here. That would imply glass in the top half... the bit that Wafer fired through.

Anyway... if part glass were involved here... where does that lead as far as piecing together what happened?

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those damn doors still have me




and I agree with Deb it looks like glass... just sayin'

Are all of these photographs of Wafer's house from some point after the shooting?

Could he have replaced the screen door with a glass storm door later that day or the next day since they probably took the screen door into evidence (or at least the screen part itself)?

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There is one crime scene picture that has the door removed. Working on the assumption that that is the screen door in question. (see below)

Obi-Wan, look at the reflection of the tree and the sky. One limb about halfway stretches out onto the brick wall.

There is someway to determine how old the google picture is but I am not sure how to do it. Maybe uni remembers.



Still trying to find the side view but, IIRC, there are 2 side doors. At least one of them has a storm door. And I remember the steps to the back door.

Door after forensics.

For the sake of argument (not argument).......Assume there is a glass part to the door..... where does that lead us?

Wafer shot through a screen part (we are told)... and that is clearly at the top.... take it from there somebody, please

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i wanna know why she just didn't use her key if she thought it was her house? Did she use her keys to get thru the screen part of the door?

She was drunk. Drunks do daft things... lose keys, can't get their key in the lock even when they find it, bang on doors etc.

Maybe she was used to a screen not locked, or no screen, who knows?? Her exact behaviour and drunken "reasoning" will never be known.

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But did the homeowner know she was a daft drunk?

I doubt it? How would he? Why do you ask that?

His "thoughts" will become known.. or at least what he has said to LE about them.

He thought it was some sort of threat to his safety... as shown by the fact he armed himself.

I have noticed (at other sites) a lot of confusion. People discussing whether Renisha was trying to break in etc.

That sort of thing really is not the point.

What this drunk was thinking, trying to do, will never be known.What Wafer (as a reasonable person) THOUGHT is the point. If somebody is creating a commotion, at least trying doors etc at 4:00 AM it is reasonable to think they are trying to break into your home. No doubt her behaviour was because she was drunk... confused, and possibly aggressive.... but that cause is irrelevant. Wafer was confronted with this commotion at 4:00 AM... he perceived some sort of threat.

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I ask that because I, too, didn't think that her being drunk mattered, at least not to the homeowner. If I was asleep and some stranger was attempting to break in I don't know what I'd do. so I agree with you. At least, now, I am off those damn doors!

Quite right.

And good luck with the 12 step program... admitting you are "powerless over doors" is a good first step

Some seem to think that Wafer needed to asses her BAC... and make allowances ... excuse her bad behaviour because she was drunk. That is actually the lament of many drunks... blame "I was drunk" for assault and even murder.. and certainly for lesser bad behaviour.
Wafer could not know precisely how drunk she was... he may have got a rough idea she was, if he had interacted more with her... but EVEN IF... at some point he suspected the person was drunk... so what? Drunks can, and do, do bad things. I'd go so far as to say MOST heinous crimes are committed by people who are high on something.... booze and drugs often.(just a guess)

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that 12 step program is a 12 gauge one!

The upper picture where you see what looks like a dark bar, is a shadow caused by the wood panes on the inside door. If you go to Google Maps and move slightly left or right, that dark portion, goes away. It is a full size glass door with a screen insert for summer. It's this type of door...
http://www.menards.com/main/doors-windo ... -13291.htm

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