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Author: | Rumpole [ Thu May 19, 2016 2:05 am ] |
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EgyptAir flight MS804 disappears from radar between Paris and Cairo – live updates http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/19/middl ... -liveblog/ |
Author: | Rumpole [ Thu May 19, 2016 2:06 am ] |
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People On Board |
Author: | Rumpole [ Thu May 19, 2016 2:07 am ] |
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What we know so far As Europe wakes to news of the missing flight, here is what we know at this point, four hours after the plane lost contact:
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Author: | Rumpole [ Thu May 19, 2016 2:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Missing Egyptair Flight MS804 |
Flightradar24 (Verified account)@flightradar24 Our last recorded point of contact with #MS804 is 33.6757, 28.7924 at 36,975 feet. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 4/#9c0b766 |
Author: | Rumpole [ Thu May 19, 2016 2:26 am ] |
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Emergency beacon 'detected at 4.26am' EgyptAir says that the plane’s emergency devices (possibly an emergency locator transmitter or beacon) sent a distress signal that was received at 4.26am, some two hours after the previously stated last radar contact. |
Author: | Molly [ Thu May 19, 2016 12:43 pm ] |
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LIVE UPDATES: http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2 ... ve-updates 10:00AM ET Here’s what we know so far about missing EgyptAir flight MS804. • Possible debris from the missing EgyptAir plane has been found 230 nautical miles west of the Mediterranean island of Crete. A Greek frigate searching for a missing Egyptair aircraft discovered two large plastic floating objects in the sea. • Egypt’s aviation minister Sherif Fathy said terrorism was more likely than technical failure to be the cause of the crash . “If you analysis the situation properly the possibility of having a terror attack is higher than the possibility of having a technical [problem],” he told reporters. • French French President François Holland Flight confirmed that the plane crashed and that terrorism could not be ruled out. The EgyptAir Airbus A320 en route from Paris Charles de Gaulle to Cairo, disappeared from radar with 66 people on board. • Greek defence minister, Panos Kammeno, said the plane made “sudden swerves” before dropping off radar over the Mediterranean. The plane made a 90 degree swerve left and dropped from 37,000 feet to 15,000 feet before swerving 360 degrees right, he said. 11:00PM ET The head of Russia’s domestic intelligence agency has said he believes the plane was brought down by a terror attack “in all likelihood”. Alexander Bortnikov, head of the Federal Security Service, called for governments to come together to track down those responsible for the “monstrous attack.” 12:00 noon ET Greek defence sources have told multiple news agencies that two large plastic floating objects have been found in the sea 230 nautical miles from Crete. “There have been finds southeast of Crete, inside the Cairo flight information area,” Greek general staff spokesman Vassilis Beletsiotis said earlier. Tarek Wahba, the captain of the Maersk Ahram, a ship involved in the search and rescue operation, has posted some pictures on his Facebook account showing debris floating in the sea, which he describes as a “lifejacket and a chair. We have no confirmation if the debris has anything to do with flight MS804 or where it was found. |
Author: | Molly [ Thu May 19, 2016 1:17 pm ] |
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LIVE UPDATES: http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2 ... ve-updates 1:00PM ET EgyptAir has said that Cairo’s foreign ministry has “confirmed finding the wreckage” in an English statement on Facebook.
EgyptAir sincerely conveys its deepest sorrow to the families and friends of the passengers onboard Flight MS804. Family members of passengers and crew have been already informed and we extend our deepest sympathies to those affected. Meanwhile, the Egyptian Investigation Team in co-operation with the Greek counterpart are still searching for other remains of the missing plane. In a series of tweets the airliner said that investigators found floating materials likely to be wreckage, life jackets and plastic debris. Photograph: Tarek Wahba via Facebook Photograph: Tarek Wahba via Facebook |
Author: | Molly [ Thu May 19, 2016 4:36 pm ] |
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There is absolutely nothing new on this, much speculation and a lot of "experts" on TV talking. Most "reliable" experts are saying it will be DAYS before an actual search will take place ... preparing staging area must be done. LIVE UPDATES: http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2 ... ve-updates 3:19PM ET Greek sources dispute wreckage claim Greek officials have cast doubt on Egypt’s confirmation that it found debris belonging to flight MS804, giving a conflicting account of the findings to the Associated Press and Reuters. Ehab, Badawy, Egypt’s ambassador to France, told the nation’s BFM television: “All I will say is that our embassy in Athens told us that it was contacted by Greek authorities, who signalled that they found white and blue debris corresponding to EgyptAir’s colours.” But Greek sources have told Reuters the material they had found so far was not blue and white. The Associated Press meanwhile has word from an unnamed senior Greek official, who says the debris found so far does not belong to flight MS804. Egypt’s Civil Aviation ministry had said “floating material,” including life jackets and plastic items, were found in the sea off the Greek island of Karpathos, close to the suspected site of the plane crash. The AP also spoke with a former transport official from the US, who said the sparse evidence so far indicates a bomb is more likely than mechanical failure. |
Author: | Rumpole [ Fri May 20, 2016 5:00 am ] |
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Debris, including passenger belongings found. Guardian stopped live blog??? Telegraph Blog http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05 ... telligenc/ Raf Sanchez in Cairo writes: Egypt's state television, Nile TV, is reporting that the Egyptian military has found some wreckage of the missing aircraft in the Mediterranean around 290km north of Alexandria. There are no details of what they say they've found and a spokesman for the military was not immediately available. |
Author: | Rumpole [ Fri May 20, 2016 5:06 am ] |
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Guardian have bucked up their ideas and restarted blog http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2 ... ifies-live |
Author: | Rumpole [ Fri May 20, 2016 5:20 am ] |
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Looking for the "Black Box" How does a plane's black box actually work? |
Author: | Rumpole [ Fri May 20, 2016 5:44 am ] |
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Times journalist Anthee Carassava says the Greek MoD has confirmed the discovery of bodies, debris and baggage Anthee Carassava@antheecarassava Greek MoD confirms bodies, #MS804 plane parts and backages found 5 miles south of spot where #EgyptAir flight went off radar |
Author: | Rumpole [ Fri May 20, 2016 7:28 am ] |
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The Greek defence minister Panos Kammenos said Egyptian authorities have said they have spotted a body part, 2 seats and suitcases in search for the EgyptAir plane. |
Author: | Molly [ Fri May 20, 2016 7:44 pm ] |
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7:19PM ET The AFP news agency says that Egyptian authorities have confirmed they are investigating the reports of smoke in the toilet and electronics of EgyptAir Flight 804 in the moments before the crash.
7:06PM ET Another aviation expert has said that the reports of smoke in the avionics system of EgyptAir Flight 804 could point to a technical fault rather than a terrorist hijack. Philip Baum, the editor of Aviation Security International Magazine, told the BBC:
“Now whether that was a technical fire, a short circuit, or whether it was because a bomb went off on board, we don’t know,” he added. No terrorist group has claimed responsibility for downing the flight 6:50PM ET The Aviation Herald states they “received information from three independent channels”, that ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) received the following messages from the aircraft: 00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW 00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR 00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE 00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE 00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR 00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT 00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT The timestamps refer to GMT and point to the alerts being received in the minutes before the flight dropped off radar screens. Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2 ... ifies-live |
Author: | Rumpole [ Fri May 20, 2016 8:00 pm ] |
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IMO we should NOT get over-excited about the smoke thing... yet. I have already heard conflicting versions about the toilet being near cockpit or at rear of aircraft (or both??) And of course what caused the fire and where did it start? It may (for instance) have started in the avionics( short circuit or a bomb) and smoke just surfaced in toilet and was detected there. Quote: Bob Mann, a US aviation expert, told him “The data could indicate rapid decompression or smoke and a progressive loss of flight control systems.
“It’s consistent with a number of events including a bomb, mechanical failure and electrical failure. We will really need the data recorder to sort this out. |
Author: | Rumpole [ Fri May 20, 2016 9:09 pm ] |
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As an aside.... I am not HAPPY with monitoring of lavatory smoke!!! I recall having the odd puff in the toilet en route from NZ to Singapore (11 long hours) I consider this smoke monitoring to be an intrusion on my toilet privacy!! |
Author: | Rumpole [ Fri May 20, 2016 11:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Missing Egyptair Flight MS804 |
I already see the "facts" being stretched into a narrative... "experts" opining on the visibility in the cockpit as it filled with smoke????? Eh? NOTHING to indicate smoke in the cockpit AT ALL.. let alone enough smoke to suddenly make visibility an issue???? There are explanations for a smoke alert in a toilet... eg as I have indicated.. some passenger having a crafty puff!!! It really is disappointing to see how the media expand info and make shit up!!!! |
Author: | Rumpole [ Sat May 21, 2016 6:27 am ] |
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Daft Guardian stopped live blog again?? From Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05 ... in-as-sea/ Egyptian military releases first photos of debris from Flight MS804 Quote: The Egyptian military has released the first photos of the debris from Flight MS804 collected so far. The pictures show a forlorn collection of scraps of seats, bits of cloth from the cabin's interior, lifejackets that were likely never used and parts of aircraft wreckage. The first debris was found yesterday morning, around 180 miles north of Alexandria. Spoiler: |
Author: | Rumpole [ Sat May 21, 2016 6:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Missing Egyptair Flight MS804 |
Experts say flight data seems to point towards a bomb Quote: Raf Sanchez in Cairo reports
To the untrained eyes, the data recorded by Flight 804's sensors is a meaningless jumble of code and technical language: 00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW 00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR 00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE 00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE 00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR 00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT 00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT But to an aviation professional, it tells a terrifying story of a series of cascading faults before the system went dead entirely. I spoke to a European airline pilot who helped make sense of the data from the ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System). The data on its own is far from definitive but the pilot believed "an internal explosion" seemed the most likely cause, explaining both the sudden problems with the windows and the smoke in the cabin. "It looks like the right front and side windows were blown out, most probably from inside out," the pilot said. There is still a lot we don't know. But the data from ACARS seems to point towards a bomb. |
Author: | Rumpole [ Sat May 21, 2016 6:51 am ] |
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Smoke in the cabin: what does the data from EgyptAir MS804's sensors mean? Raf Sanchez, Cairo 21 May 2016 • 10:15am [....] The European pilot helped decode each entry. Here's what they all mean: 00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW: There's a fault in the right cockpit window's heating element. The window should be heated to stave off ice but it isn't working. 00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR: There's a fault in the co-pilot's sliding window sensor. This sensor tells the crew if a cockpit window is closed or not. 00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE: Smoke has been detected in one of the lavatories. The smoke detector is an optical sensor and detects if a cloud has come between two points of light. It detects smoke but also fog inside the cabin. 00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE: Smoke has been detected in the avionics compartment. Located underneath the cockpit, this area can be entered via a latch in the cockpit or via a latch at the nose wheel. It is a big area where all the aircraft computers are located. 00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR: There's a fault in another cockpit window on the right side. 00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT: There's a fault in the Autopilot Flight Control Unit 2. There are two channels in the control unit and losing one will result in the spare one taking over automatically. 00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT: There's a fault in the system that controls the wing's spoilers, the portion of the wing that rises during landing. This is the final entry. Each entry tells a discrete story about some part of the aircraft breaking down. But what do they mean altogether? Firstly, they indicate that something catastrophic happened to the plane in the air, which would seem to rule out a deliberate crash by the pilots or a hijacking that forced the plane into the sea. The pilot I spoke to said an "internal explosion" seemed the most likely explanation, based especially on the the problems with windows in the cockpit. "It looks like the right front and side window were blown out, most probably from inside out," he said. ...more at link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05 ... 04s-senso/ |
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