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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:25 pm 
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I HOPE Juan puts up the worst of the worst photos of poor Travis all over the court room when he gives his
Closing Statement. THIS should be brought HOME!!
ENOUGH smoke screens, tap dancing, razzel dazzle, sexcapades, and "let's analyze poor widdle victim Jodi Arias" crap! I am weary!!

Bring it on HOME Juan!! BOTTOM LINE!!!


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Are you saying that the PDS survey can be viewed as valid even if the client lied about the event?

Do you know how many questions were changed on the TSI2 versus the TSI1?

Does using an old version of a book cause any concern to you?

Is it your belief that a gun shot to the head at a short distance would not be able to drop a person?

You are not receiving any compensation for this case, are any organizations you are involved in receiving compensation from it?

Do you feel it is possible to manipulate the 4 tests?

If Dr. DeMarte had additional evidence to support her opinion of borderline personality disorder would you expect to see that in her report?


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:36 pm 
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Judge said they will go past midnight if they have to - to finish today!!
Good - glad she remembered what she said earlier.

Tomorrow, Closing Statements! Thanks be to God!
It sits there drawing with her widdle yellow pencils, and gum eraser ... that looks like a
large grape.

I shudder to think of Jodi with her hidden PENS in her jail cell - that are always made into shanks. We all know THAT'S WHY prisoners are not allowed to have them. She is off to a good start isn't she? Laws aren't for HER!! I hope she keeps it up ... just being Jodi!

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8:38 p.m. ET: The attorneys are reviewing a juror question at a sidebar with the judge.

8:36 p.m. ET: Juror question: Did DeMarte include additional materials and evidence in her report other than test results?

Geffner said she did include other materials in her report.

8:33 p.m. ET: Juror question: How are validity scales created?

Geffner said they are created through on going research and they constantly being updated.

8:31 p.m. ET: Juror question: "Is it possible that an individual could score very differently after a traumatic event, such as killing another person, as opposed to prior to the event?:

Geffner: "Yes…[frustrated] It depends on what test you’re looking at. If you’re looking at the trauma inventories, then obviously, you’re talking about if the test would be different before and after the traumatic incident, then yes, definitely, because they theoretically would have been exposed to trauma beforehand. If you’re talking about personality tests and others, then yes, they can be impacted too, because if that changes your personality…you’re not really depressed before the incident, but after you are severely depressed, that scale can go up. So yes, your scales can vary depending on pretty significant events going on in your life or in your environment."

8:30 p.m. ET: Juror question: Could explain the reason why Alexander's gunshot didn't bleed be because it was after he already died?

Geffner said it depends on a variety of factors like how much blood was left in the body.

8:28 p.m. ET: Juror question: "How do you feel events such as incarceration, public accusation, and invasion of privacy on a large scale can effect tests such as the MMPI or MCMI?"

Geffner: "Well for the MMPI it can increase paranoia, because it’s not only that you think people are out to get you, they are. And so the paranoia scale can go up. If you’re facing depression, your depression scale can get elevated. Anxiety, if you’re worried about the future, all of those scale can be elevated on the MMPI. Usually, you don’t see those elevated on the MCMI, because that’s supposed to be long-standing. It’s like personality traits. Something that’s there back in history. So you don’t usually see too much of a change. Where you would see it possibly…might be those bottom scales, like anxiety or trauma, if someone is being traumatized by being incarcerated which definitely can happen. Then you could see an elevation in those scales."

8:27 p.m. ET: Juror question: Do you know how many questions changed on the newer version of the TSI?

Geffner said he thinks they added 20 something questions. It wasn't a major overhaul, but it was a significant change according to Geffner.

8:24 p.m. ET: Juror question: Can you explain the validity scale results on the MMPI test?

Geffner: "So, the normal range down here, these are actually just telling you whether the person is consistent in their responses, and the person basically is. And this scale, the FP, is indicating whether the person has any kind of psychotic…are they answering the question in the way someone who is psychotic or may be out of touch with reality might. And it’s saying no. And then the L scale, is actually termed the “lie” scale. Is somebody really answering these question in a way that’s distorting their answers, and it’s saying no. K is defensive, are they afraid to disclose anything going on. Again, no. S is a little bit in the lower/average range. It has more to do with whether the person feel superior, has good self-image. And it is saying, this person is definitely in the average to low/average. So your elevated scales are these: The F is the one we mention…the one that could be exaggerated symptoms, or under severe distress, or a cry of help. You don’t know. It could be any of those. FB is just looking at those same question on the second half of the test, so it’s basically saying…it’s 567 questions, so it’s a lot. This is looking at consistency, are they giving you roughly the same type of responses at the beginning half of the test to the second half. And this one, this FBS, which is the highest, is symptom severity. It’s indicating that this person is displaying or exhibiting or expressing lots of symptoms."


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:55 pm 
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8:53 p.m. ET: Geffner said it may be possible to diagnosis with personality disorder, but you can't disregard the fact that she may also suffer from PTSD.

8:51 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar with the judge.

8:50 p.m. ET:


Do you think these final witnesses will make a difference? #JodiArias

— Nancy Grace NancyGraceHLN) May 2, 2013

8:47 p.m. ET:


Jurors asked 21 questions of Dr. Geffner. Willmott is asking follow-up questions now. #JodiArias

— Beth Karas BethKaras) May 2, 2013

8:46 p.m. ET: Willmott is asked Geffner if it would be a problem if someone took the PDS and tested positive for PTSD, but there was traumatic event.

Geffner said it would make him wonder about the validity of the test.

8:43 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking follow up questions now.

8:42 p.m. ET: Juror question: Why do you think DeMarte did not understand the summary scales of the TSI test?

Geffner said that the fact she ignored the indications of truama made him think she did not understand how to properly evaluate the test.

8:38 p.m. ET: The attorneys are reviewing a juror question at a sidebar with the judge.


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HAHAHAHA!!! :lol

With regards to exaggeration Martinez says: Do you go to the Alyce LaViolete school...

Willmott: OBJECTION!!!


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Geffner said the defense told him DeMarte didn't know a summary existed and told the defense that in her testimony. He found that to be major in her having a knowledge of the testing. This was from a juror question.

I hope Martinez addresses this.


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Oh, Lawd......now according to the Dr., an exaggeration is not a lie. "They are two different dimensions."

Martinez: If I say the prosecutor is 6 Foot Tall - is that a LIE?

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:02 pm 
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This is very important.

What is a LIE and what is EXAGGERATION in this doctor's mind??

This has now gone from ridiculous to ludicrous!


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9:02 p.m. ET: Maritinez is pointing out that on one test Arias indicated she was exaggerating her answers. Martinez wants to know if exaggeration is akin to lying. Geffner disagrees and said he doesn't not think it is lie.

8:59 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar with the judge.

8:58 p.m. ET: Martinez asked is coming out swinging. He asked Geffner if he went to the Alyce LaViolette school. Willmott objected, and judge Stephens sustained it. Now he is asking Geffner when an exaggeration becomes a lie?

8:55 p.m. ET: Willmott asked where would the bullet have had to pass through Alexander's brain to incapacitate him. Geffner said it would to pass through the center of his brain, because the middle of the brain controls motor function. Willmott is done with her follow up questions.


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Juan asks "if the prosecutor said he was 6'2" would that be a lie or exaggeration? Dr. G dances around this question


Juan has a graph up on the screen and asking Dr. G about the exaggeration on two of the scale points.


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9:06 p.m. ET: Geffner agreed that if Arias lied on the PDS test about two intruders attacking her and killing Alexander would call into the question the results of that test.


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and one I posted in wrong thread...

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9:15 p.m. ET: Martinez asked Geffner if he was aware that defense expert Richard Samuals wrote in his report that he believe Arias may suffer from a personality disorder. Geffner said he was not aware that Samuals wrote that in his report. The attorneys are at a sidebar with the judge.

9:11 p.m. ET: Martinez is asking Geffner about how the field of psychology classifies different personality disorders. The attorneys are now at a sidebar with the judge.


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Rumpole wrote:
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and one I posted in wrong thread...

DRINK!!! :63

LOL, I almost did that earlier. I'm sure they would appreciate the drink, though! :77


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This is getting good!!!

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