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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:38 pm 
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Part of Carpenter's theory that McBride had an accomplice seemed to hinge on a possible footprint discovered on the air conditioner in the fenced-off backyard.

It was photographed but never lifted.


It's fairly simple and easy to make a casting of a shoe print 'impression' in the ground...

...but it is EXTREMELY difficult to lift a dusty shoe print found on a hard surface... more often than not you're going to destroy it in the process of trying to collect it.

Photographing the print is typical as it is the least destructive method.

If his other photos are any indication, however, then I'm guessing his photo(s) of the shoe print wasn't sufficient to show scale, relationship, and detail.

Do we know ~when~ he found and photographed the shoe print?


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RE: swollen hands = pounding on the doors

I think this is a weak and disingenuous argument for the defense. McBride was short and overweight and her hands were likely naturally pudgy.

Add to that the extreme amount of alcohol in her system, and we're probably looking at peripheral edema (fluid retention in the extremities).

For the defense expert to get on the stand and testify that the perceived swelling was likely due to her knocking on a door too hard calls for suspension of disbelief and just paints him as an $8,000 expert for hire who'll testify to whatever the client needs him to. JMHO


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Thanks for you analysis nivico.

I take your point on difficulties "collecting" foot print on air con. Maybe photo was best they could do.
However, I have not been impressed with the quality of photos (shown in court) I would expect more "professional" photos.. especially of a potentially important item.

Sure ... swollen fingers thing is a "stretch" but often at trials the whole case is a stretch. It is kinda "part of the game" to sell notions to the Jury.... especially for the defense... they are after all in the business of "reasonable doubt" rather than absolute proof (that is closer to State burden)

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Thanks for you analysis nivico.

I take your point on difficulties "collecting" foot print on air con. Maybe photo was best they could do.
However, I have not been impressed with the quality of photos (shown in court) I would expect more "professional" photos.. especially of a potentially important item.


Completely agree... I know the guy only had a week's combined training on latent prints and crime scene photography several years ago, but certainly in that week he should have been taught the basics.

Crime scene photos begin with a four-corners shoot of the scene, and then each item of evidence in that scene receives a wide angle shot to establish its location in the scene, then an intermediate range photo, and then a close up.

Then you go back and repeat the entire process with evidence item markers and rulers in place.

And this day and age with digital photography and the ability to immediately see if the picture is in focus or not, blurry crime scene photos are inexcusable. (though some departments do still use film cameras to prevent any defense claims of photoshopping or altering)


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Thanks for the insight.

It would be a specialist job.. crime scene photography... but even an amateur with some thought and common sense, and perhaps multiple attempts in some places ,could do better than what we have seen with the few posted. A photo of a photo projected on a screen and then photographed again by video cam in court...is not helping :)

I do hope there are some better pics in evidence.

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Still working on the Map.

Added a location "Evergreen and West Warren" as location for Davonta Bynes

This is the THIRD location that people have assured me is his address!! :wall

Anybody with case map info, please help :95

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McBride's Aunt
Kay Lumpkin Shell is Renisha's great Aunt. 7288 Bramell Street

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Outside 7233 Bramell Street (10 houses down from Aunt's house)

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McBride Home
Rented home of Monica McBride (Mother) (Evicted since incident) "Home" that Renisha left from. Also Grandmother's home (maybe) 19386 Whitcomb Avenue

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Romulus
MIGHT be where Davonta Bynes worked?


BP Service Station
Referred several times during trial Significance unknown so far

Davonta Bynes (old address)
9964 Piedmont Street, Detroit, MI, United States

6606 Marten Knoll, W Bloomfield, MI
Very important address... but stuffed if I know why

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This article seems to confirm "Faust and Warren"


Witnesses testify about McBride, neighborhood on night of porch shooting

Oralandar Brand-Williams, The Detroit News
July 28, 2014 at 5:31 pm

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2014 ... z395JjOdM5
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Davonta Bynes, a co-worker and friend of McBride’s, said McBride was headed to his home on Faust and West Warren the night she got into an automobile crash not far away at Brammell and West Warren. He said he was concerned about McBride when he talked to her on the phone a few hours before the crash because her voice was slurred.

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Expert talks about cut on McBride's hand
By ED WHITE of Associated Press

DETROIT (AP) — A former medical examiner sparred with a prosecutor Thursday over a wound on the hand of a woman who was fatally shot on a Detroit-area porch, telling jurors it seems to fit the defense's claim that Renisha McBride was pounding on the homeowner's doors before she was killed.

Dr. Werner Spitz, a forensic pathologist, said photos of McBride's body show a "small superficial laceration" on her left hand. It "could have come from pounding on something," Spitz said.

The testimony was intended to reinforce Theodore Wafer's explanation that McBride, 19, was pounding furiously on his doors before he shot her last Nov. 2. Wafer insists he acted in self-defense, but prosecutors say he could have kept the front door closed and called police.

...more at link
http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/exper ... rides-hand

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It remains a mystery why RM was so far West if she was traveling from HOME to DEVONTA BYNES location?

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This has hung jury written all over it.

Jury's too "diverse" to all unanimously agree on "not guilty" - there will be people who will side with McBride due to racial loyalty, pure and simple.

But there's also enough evidence and just the basic circumstances of Wafer alone and afraid in his own home peacefully sleeping... that I believe at least a couple of the less diverse jurors are going to be pretty resistant to a conviction.

They may cave. So it all comes down to them. If they cave, he gets Manslaughter. If they stand firm, hung jury. That's my feeling.

I will be very surprised by a full not guilty verdict, pleased though.


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I agree "Hung" is very likely.

But personally I am very much in the "Wafer alone and afraid in his own home peacefully sleeping" group, and so ANY conviction will be a travesty in my mind.

The worry I have in this and other cases is that Juries can and do fall for the "Consolation verdict" Essentially they agree defendant is Not Guilty of main charge, but feel they have to convict him of something rather than simply let him walk free. Especially in cases where the perp clearly did kill the "victim". IMO Prosecutors play on this by over-charging.... a ploy to get the lesser charge (eg Manslaughter) by way of a "Consolation" from the Jury. In such cases the Jury may well NOT be aware that the lesser charge itself carries similar (same) penalty... especially in cases like this with a firearm involved.

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Burden of Proof

(Explaining Reasonable Doubt for Jurors)

This is a great illustration of BURDEN the State SHOULD have in our system of justice

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Romulus
MIGHT be where Davonta Bynes worked?


There's a GM automotive engine plant in Romulus though I can't recall the mention of anyone working at the plant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_Engine


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Ok I figured out a few things. Going back and listening to the first day of trial before it got stopped. VP I figured out about "East Side"
Pros: were you aware RM was expected on the East Side,
Monica: Later on..

RM has a sister Jasmine, who lived at the same house as RM, grandma, mom and Jasmine baby. Jasmine BF, LIVES ON EAST SIDE OF DETROIT. Per Monica McBride. Jasmine was spending the night with her BF on Nov 1.

RM cousin Demetria Burnett 19, lives near 8 Mile and Avondale area *this is the cousin Amber Jenkins (bff) said RM was with earlier in the day.

**inconsist on first day of trial, Monica said she went on Nov 2 and they ID RM. On July 30 when Monica was called back (over the $100 bill) Monica says she was called down on NOV 3 to id RM, and that's when she got the envelope with stuff in it and also the $100 bill. (after she asked if RM had any money on her) Maybe just a slip of tongue or keying, but strange.

got a couple more I want to listen to and make comment abt in a few.


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There's a GM automotive engine plant in Romulus though I can't recall the mention of anyone working at the plant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_Engine

Thanks Londo.

There was talk of RM picking up Bynes from work. I guess the exact location is not critical? General area might be "Romulus"
I don't recall mention of WHAT work he did? (nothing too mentally taxing would be my guess) :roll

The address of where RM worked night also be interesting. That could show her familiarity with this general area, and perhaps why she was there,... though hard to imagine that work was a factor at midnight and beyond.

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nivico wrote:
"......monica mcbride on stand for pros. she says she gave renisha the $100 bill......"

Hold up now...

She previously stated that she was angry with her daughter, put her foot down, let her know she was being serious that night, and told her not to move the car ... now she's saying she gave her $100???


Not to mention they apparently couldn't pay the rent, so why throwing around $100 bills?

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IMO

I have read this before, and I have asked myself , "why would he open the door?". I can understand (subjectively) under extreme circumstances why Wafer opened the door. This is just speculation but maybe he wanted to make sure of what was happening on his porch, at his door, and was going to peek out, when he opened the door he was greeted by a belligerent drunk who had already damaged or broken his screen, and he fired his gun, assuming the person was trying to get in, (which it surely sounds like she was). This is a guy woken up at 4:30 AM he is searching for his cell phone, trying to make sense of pounding noises on his doors, he believes he sees multiple people on his property, he is afraid, he armed and he is in the fog of being startled awake, not exactly when one would be expected to think and act completely rationally.

Plus does anyone really think it would be any better for Wafer to have shot through the closed door (in the eyes of the MSM and their ignorant minions) if he believed that an intruder was going to get into his house? From my understanding he couldn't find his phone, so help was not on the way, he was alone and he assumed quite logically that his home was going to be invaded, he didn't know if there were multiple intruders trying to get into his home, and whoever was trying to get into his home through this particular door was doing so quite brazenly. His option was to wait and see if this particular intruder made it into his house, assess whether or not they were a danger once they were in, all the while being leery that there may be other people trying to break in, yet he knows that he has not yet called the police so he may be facing multiple threats on his own. All under the haze of being awoken by pounding on multiple doors in his home and the very real fear that someone is trying to invade his home.

This was a tragedy but Reshina was the author. Wafer has to live with the memories of that night, the image of Reshina, the smell of her blood, Wafer is a victim of Reshina, just as someone Reshina could have injured if she hit them while driving drunk. She was a danger driving drunk, and she was a danger walking drunk.


Yes you'd have to see who was out there and try to see what they were going to do. Can't see through a closed door. And if she was pounding on the door which seems that it may be so since she had an injury on her hand, then all the more reason to freak out and react.

Since there has been no info as to where she was between when the accident happened and when she landed on his porch I wonder if she tried to get someone who worked in the area to help her out and had to wait around for awhile and then didn't get any help.


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6606 Marten Knoll, W Bloomfield, MI
Very important address... but stuffed if I know why


One of Monica's previous addresses.

Here's what I don't get. She said she was evicted (she tells the story in such a way that I find it incredibly hard to believe), but the house she was apparently living in at the time was sold in 2008 for only $9K. How on earth could it be in foreclosure in 2014? Taxes not paid? She said "mortgage note", so, I don't know. I can't find where this house was foreclosed on, but I'm not real sure where to look in that area.

20524 Packard St (Dertroit) is another address I had for her, the house is/was owned by her mother, Delores McBride. So many inconsistencies, I don't expect your map to be perfect, ever. If you think this is tough, try doing a family tree!

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Thanks renewsit. I know you always do detailed research on cases you get involved in. If not for you we would not know about an Aunt living nearby.. so "side players" and relations ect are important.

These people seem to change addresses more often than I change my socks. (as well as jobs, friends, sex partners etc.)

Best we can do is pin down locations on the night in question.

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